Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#56382 - 12/18/05 05:24 PM Katrina in hindsight...
teacher Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 716
Looking back to Hurricane Katrina, and the reaction of the goverment(s), several things come to mind.

One of which is -- Where were the rescue groups? Other than the coast guard, did anybody even hear of a SAR, paramedic or other group getting in to help people?

TRO

Top
#56383 - 12/18/05 06:05 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
I don't know the exact truth of it, but I read from quite a few sources and one acquaintance that the people with guns weren't letting anyone walk out of NOLA, and they weren't letting any rescue people in for quite a while. I can't imagine the reasoning for this, if there was any reasoning going on...

Sue

Top
#56384 - 12/18/05 07:03 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
benjammin Offline
Rapscallion
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
Once the looting started, the SAR efforts were pretty much restricted to Military units, or LE.

Typical. The only way I'd live in a place that risky is to build my own little fortress and make it Cat 5 proof, to heck with the idiot government groups. I never much figured I could rely on them to solve my problems no how.
_________________________
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

Top
#56385 - 12/18/05 11:44 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
A post event assessment will make good reading once the political fallout joins the mud. In this situation the Coast Guard was able to respond quickly because A. There were considerable resources allready in place with aviation,ship and small boat units integrated with this vital shipping area. B. the Coast Guard's unique mission mandate has created a multi tasking structure able to respond rapidly. I read the total CG helicopter missions flown and the people evacuated and translated that into the logistical measure of coffeecups. Senator Proxmire , famous for his Golden Fleece awards just passed away. I remember when our issue coffee was reduced in quality as a result <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Like a famous confederate cavalry commander said, " just get there the firstest with the mostest."


Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (12/18/05 11:50 PM)

Top
#56386 - 12/19/05 02:04 AM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
Malpaso Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 817
Loc: MA
Quote:
did anybody even hear of a SAR, paramedic or other group getting in to help people?


Over the course of six weeks, our team treated over 8000 patients. Just because the media chose to only publicize the negatives, doesn't mean positive things didn't happen. BTW, we on the ground two days before the hurricane hit.
_________________________
It's not that life is so short, it's that you're dead for so long.

Top
#56387 - 12/19/05 02:06 AM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Malpaso, how soon after the event were you able to get in?

Sue

Top
#56388 - 12/19/05 04:28 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
CAP613 Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 87
Loc: W. PA
I was reading the After Action Report for Civil Air Patrol's involvement in MS. Intersting read I will post a ling when I can. A couple thing came out, the ground teams while not doing SAR where acting as contact persons to get an idea of where people where still at and if anything was needed. A lot of people where effected that we never heard about and a lot of volunteers provided help that we will never hear about. I thing the focus on the goverment's response has sold short the amount of volunteer response. One comment that I did see was that for disaster operation teams must be ready to operate for ten day without support. This would include both "forward" teams and the incedent command personal.
_________________________
Ward

Top
#56389 - 12/19/05 05:53 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
JimJr Offline
Member

Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 133
Loc: Central Mississippi
I was part of the CAP effort on MS. The area south of I-10 (the area affected by the storm surge) was searched by one of the big USAR teams, from Miami, I think. They did an excellent job. The Coast Guard was outstanding (as usual). Whenever one of our teams came across someone with serious needs, out first inclination was to call our Coastie contacts in the State EOC. They never let us down (thanks guys!) The Red Cross and Salvation Army volunteers did their usual excellent service, but the scope and magnatitude stretched their manpower resources thin. When they were finally allowed in, volunteers from churches joined in and continue to work today.

One of biggest problems (and prehaps the biggest) problem was communications. I have seen recently that FEMA has "solved" their communications problems by purchasing an additional 5,000 sat phones. From my personal expirence, that's a giant waste of taxpayer's money. We (CAP) had access to 5 sat phones and most of the time we couldn't get through to anyone - our cell phones worked better! HF radios and decently trained operators are a much more cost effective (and plain just more effective) solution.

That's all for now, I just haven't taken the time to organize my thoughts on particular areas yet.

Stay Safe,

Jim

Top
#56390 - 12/19/05 06:33 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
CAP613 Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 87
Loc: W. PA
I have heard that about Sat phones. I wonder at what level of use the Sat phone system reaches saturation and stops working. I'm thinking that a voice over IP system useing a satalite internet hookup would be a better way to go for a mission base.
_________________________
Ward

Top
#56391 - 12/19/05 08:59 PM Re: Katrina in hindsight...
ki4buc Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
From a presentation we had from a Florida SAR team (can't remember the number), the local emergency management officials in their area had sortof "given up", or were shell shocked, and weren't making decisions. They were asking the teams "What do you think we should do?".

Communication is the biggest. It's the nucleus in the ESF plan around which all other ESF's must function. What would be really cool to see in the future is cell phones that can operate in a peer-to-peer/repeater mode. Unfortunately, there are too many immature and stupid people using cell phones, as evident by how they use them in general, that it would never work.

I think the one point that everyone is missing is that this is not one person, one government, or the FEMA's fault. There are multiple failures at many different levels that compounded the issues. Emergency Management officials have been preaching for years about 72 hour kits. If the citizens had taken their "responsibility" in government seriously, we wouldn't have nearly had as many people to rescue. If New Orleans had only... If Louisian had only... If Mississippi had only... It can go on and on.

Preaching to the choir, but your Federal Government is only here redistribute funds collected to programs that representatives have deemed important. Until people start participating in their government (you know, "Government for the people, and by the people"), these problems won't go away. We need to increase personal responsibility, decrease litigation and cut fat out of the government. If we don't, necessary programs like Emergency Management are going to suffer.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >



Moderator:  Alan_Romania, Blast, cliff, Hikin_Jim 
June
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30
Who's Online
1 registered (Phaedrus), 235 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Mollerstrom, Louis, tomuchgear, salomoncrosk, Claire
5283 Registered Users
Newest Posts
The Best Thing Since Doug Ritter's PSP?
by Jeanette_Isabelle
01:09 AM
Cell phones & Other Electronics
by Russ
06/14/19 06:59 PM
Easy way to start a fire
by hikermor
06/13/19 02:54 AM
Thanks and Congrats, Doug!
by hikermor
06/12/19 05:10 PM
Go or Stay ? An interesting informal discussion
by Jeanette_Isabelle
06/12/19 04:30 PM
Earthh Shaking News
by Janysboy
06/12/19 02:29 AM
Basic Survival Skills that shouldn’t be complicate
by Phaedrus
06/10/19 06:14 AM
Death Cap Mushrooms
by WesleyH
06/09/19 01:17 PM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.