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#54912 - 11/30/05 12:44 PM TSA may allow sharp objects on airliners
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10258342/

A logical move, in my opinion, but I'll believe it when it happens.

-- Craig

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#54913 - 11/30/05 03:41 PM Re: TSA may allow sharp objects on airliners
groo Offline


Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 722
Loc: Florida
This kind of idiocy just cracks me up ('cause crying at my age is rather embarrassing):

Charles Slepian, an aviation security consultant based in New York, said the TSA's proposed changes fail to take into account the safety of passengers and cabin crew. "Whenever you are serving alcohol, you have a double duty to those who are present to protect them from someone who goes off the deep end," Slepian said. "If we allow people to carry things that are really deadly weapons on board airplanes, we're inviting trouble."

So don't serve alcohol. Yes, people can drink before they get on a plane, but the airline can also prevent intoxicated people from boarding. Isn't it interesting how the root cause of the problem is completely overlooked?

And the aisles "running with blood" bit.. that's just sad. Flight attendants flew in cabins full of sharp objects before 9/11 with no problem. Why now is it such a big deal?


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#54914 - 11/30/05 04:01 PM Re: TSA may allow sharp objects on airliners
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
We're up to our eyeballs in idiocy, apparently.

And airplane aisles will soon be awash in blood, if the pundits are to be believed. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

-- Craig

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#54915 - 11/30/05 04:47 PM Re: TSA may allow sharp objects on airliners
Polak187 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Brooklyn, New York
I find it really amusing whenever "experts" make statments about things they have never experienced or will never be subject to experience... Lately I've been seeing a shift from national security to personal security. Nation is sick and tired that 4 year war on terrorsim is going nowhere. People also forget since time heals wounds. Osama is still free and Iraq is not going the way it was planned. People don't want their freedoms restricted in the name of a greater good anymore but freedom restrictions in the name of personal protection sounds great. But I'm asking: personal protection from what? Terrorist don't act out under infulence of alcohol and I don't think that hostile takeover with boxcutters is going to succeed anymore. Next events will involve sabotage, real weapons, bombs and rockets. Also a sudden outbreak of violence secondary to intox can be controlled by few handy gentelmen on board.

Anything in right hands can become a weapon. Stupid oxygen tank (2 on board) can become a projectile that goes thru 2 feet of concrete. Broken bottles, piece of plastic or even folded newspaper can be used as a weapon. Is my zippo, nail clipper, scissors or SAK more dangerous than imporvised weapons? Hell no.

I work as a paramedic at JFK here in NYC. I hate the TSA rules. I think they are more for show than doing acctual good. Now I have no problem with making adjustments for something that works. But I also have no tolerance for stupidity. And TSA is just plainly retarded.
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#54916 - 11/30/05 06:11 PM Re: TSA may allow sharp objects on airliners
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Quote:
I hate the TSA rules. I think they are more for show than doing actual good. Now I have no problem with making adjustments for something that works. But I also have no tolerance for stupidity. And TSA is just plainly retarded.


Agreed.

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#54917 - 11/30/05 06:19 PM Followup: TSA to Allow Scissors, Tools on Planes
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
http://tinyurl.com/d6skz

They have still killed the SAK. I quote:

Quote:
Though the new list of prohibited items hasn't been finalized, certain sharp objects won't be on it, the official said, including scissors less than 4 inches long and wrenches and screwdrivers less than 7 inches long.


That disqualifies the SAK, I should think.

-- Craig

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#54918 - 11/30/05 06:43 PM Re: TSA may allow sharp objects on airliners
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
My memory can be faulty at times, so please correct me if you like. But.... weren't the weapons (such as they were) on the 9/11 flights used to subdue/control the CREW?

If the crew is not within reach, a terrorist in a sealed container (the plane) is just going to go whacko and start cutting people? Some people seem to think terrorists just want to kill. Well, they do, but they usually have a purpose in mind, it's not just random.

Also, since 9/11, I doubt that an entire planeload of people will now just sit there and wait for the "hijacking" to end. Sure, some will just sit and cry, scream and wring their hands, but SOME will now fight back, and they know they will be backed by the airline, if not a jury.

I'm reasonably certain that TSA has the same idiot people at the scanners that they had pre-9/11, but they've just been (maybe) given a tiny bit of training and a free hand to be even more stupid and obnoxious than they were before. They are poorly paid people who probably don't have much power in their lives otherwise, so they take advantage of the power that the TSA has given them.

One trained dog's nose can find explosives wrapped in plastic, boxes, luggage and most other containers (even within multiple containers), but it's taken the TSA morons FOUR YEARS to figure this out?

However, I do wonder about the purpose of icepicks and throwing stars...

Sue

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#54919 - 11/30/05 07:03 PM Re: Followup: TSA to Allow Scissors, Tools on Plan
ki4buc Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
Quoted from CNN:
The change in rules, expected to go into effect December 20, will allow for some scissors less than 4 inches long and some tools less than 7 inches long.

This says they will be ALLOWED, not DISALLOWED

A former coworker of mine, a known pro-gun control advocate, did mention after September 11th, that if someone had a gun on any of those planes, it probably would not have made it into the building. Speculation as only Flight 93 apparently had any real clue what was going on.

The government is only suppose to protect me from what I cannot handle myself:
1) Explosives aboard aircraft
2) Mentally messed up pilots
3) Aircraft maintenance and design problems

Everything else in the cabin is pretty much up to me.

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#54920 - 11/30/05 07:28 PM Re: Followup: TSA to Allow Scissors, Tools on Plan
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Oops. My apologies. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I was reading too quickly. I stand happily corrected. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

-- Craig

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#54921 - 11/30/05 07:38 PM Re: Followup: TSA to Allow Scissors, Tools on Plan
ki4buc Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
You probably were just used to government double-speak and got confused. No worries. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm glad to see they're take the more logical approach.

Snopes: Pilot's pre-flight speach during first flight on 9/15/2001

Quote:
"Once those doors close, we only have each other. The security has taken care of a threat like guns with all of the increased scanning, etc. Then we have the supposed bomb. If you have a bomb, there is no need to tell me about it, or anyone else on this plane; you are already in control. So, for this flight, there are no bombs that exist on this plane."

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