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#53988 - 11/19/05 09:45 AM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
Raspy Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 351
Loc: Centre Hall Pa
This is like saying only one gun or one knife. It begs for trying to cheat things.
But most of my setups already cheat and still follow the rules fairly closely.
The A list tries to follow the rules. The B list collapses the firearms to single items to account for the rigs I already have.

A list
1) Water Bottle
This is a quart/liter sized Nalgene bottle with a twist. The top is a water filter.
You fill the bottle with the suspect water then either drink through the sports top or fill another container
Capacity about 200 gallons

2) FAK
Fairly standard but built from scratch. Already part of my grab and go gear. About the size of a football. I started with a couple of commercial kits then combined and tweaked them to meet my needs. Extras are a couple of trauma bandages, standard OTC pain, allergy, diarrhea etc. meds and a month worth of my personal meds. At the start of a prescription I get 2 months worth. One for use, the other for the kit. When the first batch needs refilling I get new that goes in the kit what was there comes out and gets taken.

3) 45 1911 model. More on the standard rig after the list.

To Fitzoid: The reason for the handgun is not to steal someone else’s survival gear. It is to some other yahoo from attempting to steal mine. I tend to be a bit defensive about thieves and try to convince them of the errors of their ways. Superior firepower tends to help in the argument. Cheeps like that are probably more dangerous that the disaster. They have no qualms about inflicting injury or death upon me. I won’t be a victem.

4) Spare loaded magazine

5) Box (50 rounds) ammo

6) Poncho
Like Wildcard mine is a tad modified. It has a removable pyle fiber liner for warmth. If hot weather it goes into the pack. The middle layer is a trimmed up heavy-duty space blanket. The 3 pieces can be separated or used together. Combines shelter, bedroll and blanket choices.

7) Pot
At present it’s a 1-quart aluminum mess kit pot.
What I would really like is a 1 to 2 quart titanium wok with a separate lifting handle.
Another product I have been looking at is the silicon rubber baking pans. They can stand up to 500 degrees. The reason for consideration is they are flexible. That means they can be folded up to take up less space. While they wouldn’t stand direct exposure to fire they could work using hot rock boiling.

8) 10/22 in 22LR. More on this rig also.

9) Spare loaded magazine

10) Box (50 rounds) ammo

For the 45 I have 3 different rigs shoulder, hip and chest. The different rigs are for different activities. The hip rig has a couple extra pouches of items included. All three have a few features in common. One is they have the capacity to carry 2 spare magazines. In addition an attached pouch to carry an extra box of 50 rounds.

My 10/22 is also tricked out as a survival workhorse. Some day when finances allow I’d like to get a 10/22 in the magnum version rigged the same way. It would give me more punch. It has a 3 X 9 variable scope. Gives me better accuracy with tired old eyes. For those that say what if the scope breaks? Iron sights are more reliable and less susceptible to damage. Mine still has the iron sights on it. If the scope is damaged it can be removed and I still have the iron sights available. First the sling is 90 feet worth of 550 paracord braided using the Slatts rescue knot. At the front of the sling are 3 pouches to balance the gear on the stock. The pouches nicely fit the standard magazine or a box of 50 22LR. I normally carry them loaded with one spare magazine and 2 boxes. Gives me 120 rounds in a single package. I mix in about 30 hypervelocity Quik-Shoks for added punch. The synthetic stock of the rifle is hollowed out on each side. I have made a sleeve made to fit around and attached to the stock. The inside of the sleeve has pouches to hold various items. I stuff about as much into these areas as most people do in an Altoids tin. Fishing kit, sewing kit, light cordage, snare wire, fire kit, water purification, compass and a few other odds and ends. One unique item that I once in a kit for a skeleton stock that I decided to incorporate. The knife in this is an Ulu.

With The firearms and their accessories collapsed to single items not 3 each here is revised list B

1) Water bottle same
2) FAK same
3) 45 Rig probably the hip setup above
4) Poncho same
5) Pot same

6) Gloves
Leather or leather palmed work gloves to protect the hands. If dressed for the weather my coats have both gloves and mittens.

7) Hammock
Another Hennessey. One of the older models rigged with some modifications that it seems the company has incorporated in their newer advanced models. I have added snaps to the outside to attach a modified space blanket to reflect heat back inside plus an over space blanket as a cover. While the bow on a hammock is not good on the back it is better than the cold hard ground. With a hammock you are above the creepy crawlies on the ground also away from wet conditions. If you are worried about critter attacks either man or beast with care and caution it can be rigged well up into the treetops. In winter the biggest gripe is the cold wind blowing around the bottom chilling you. Well as shown much of that is solve with my rig to start off. But rig it a couple of inches instead of feet with something as a low wind break greatly helps. At the end I’ll cover a winter camp setup with the included gear.

8) Trash bag (s)
Heavy duty large. If allowable I like 2 or 3 for their versatility.

9) Emergency space blanket

10) Small hatchet/tomahawk
What I would like is a Biehl tool. It is a small hatchet multitool. I like the concept of it. Or more properly a modified custom made Biehl with a better chopping blade.


Winter sleep set up with the above gear. Use poncho to construct a lean-to line it with the emergency space blanket. The angle of the space blanket reflects the heat from a fire built in front to be reflected down towards the sleeping area. Rig the hammock inside the lean-to as close to the ground as possible so that it doesn’t quite touch the ground when occupied. Build a reflector from the space blanket liner of the poncho system behind the fire. This reflects the heat into the lean-to, which in turn concentrates it onto the sleeper. The pyle liner from the poncho is used as a blanket covered you and is in turn covered by the space blanket of the hammock system. This actually makes a very warm sleeping arrangement in even the coldest weather. If there are multiple members in a group each can be combine their lean-tos to act as a reflector towards the others. Two are facing each other. Three arranged in a triangle around the fire. Four will form a box. More than 4 you will need a second fire. Two small fires are more efficient than a single large fire. If the ground is dry you can also combine these techniques with a hot rock bed for even more comfort.

As the rules allow choice of pack without being counted against the count a CamelBack gives water carrying capacity for free.

To answer some of the questions on missing items most if not all are covered by normal dress. Yes my normal pocket and belt load out is several pounds.

Cash is more important than duct tape. What little I have is already in my wallet.

No knife? In normal I already carry several. Some of which are multitools. 3 to be exact 2 in a Niteeyes pouch on the left and a wave on the right side next to a AA maglite. The pouch also has a magnetic pickup, a magnesium fire started [The small sized ones] and a couple of other goodies. In the right pocket are a couple of pocketknives and a key ring. The key ring has a CMG infinity and a Wenger pocket tool chest penknife. It is about the size of a classic with several more tools included. This total set up gives me pliers to manipulate, screwdrivers to turn, assorted other tools, at least 3 scissors and 2 saws. Yes I’m banned from even walking past airports. Maybe I could use a good large fixed blade but didn’t have room in the list.

I also carry a second survival gear dedicated wallet. It has a credit card based fishing kit. A Tool Logic card. A Brunton life card that covers a magnifying lens and crude compass. Snare wire wound on a sample credit card. The same for a light cordage card. Also a sewing kit made the same way. In the bill compartment are a pair of half gallon ziploc bag for water and a 6 foot duct tape packet about the size of a dollar. An 18 X 24 inch sheet of regular aluminum foil. I have also taken one of those disposable cookie sheets. Folded flat it is a packet 3 X 6 inches. Using origami it forms a pan 6 inches square 3 inches deep. Plus a few other things that don’t really need to be covered for this discussion.

For fire other than the magnesium bar and lens I also smoke. So I carry a disposable butane lighter. But believing in being ready I carry a second unused spare in case it runs out.

Paracord: I carry a 150 feet in a Slatts knot belt to hold up my pants. But with the load I carry I also wear suspenders. I have figured out how to make a pair of suspenders from 550 in a Slatts configuration with 4 key chain carabiners. I just haven’t gotten around to making them yet.

When I dress I don’t just go for the weather as it is at the time. I dress for what the worst conditions might be over the next couple of days will be. I go on the philosophy that I might drive to work but may have to walk home in the middle of the night in a blizzard or freeze. It has happened to me and I’m glad I was ready.

Well do you think I’ve covered most of the bases?
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When in danger or in doubt
run in circles scream and shout
RAH

And always remember TANSTAAFL

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#53989 - 11/19/05 07:51 PM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
Brangdon Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/12/04
Posts: 1204
Loc: Nottingham, UK
> Then you need to imagine someone else robbing you of yours.

But many of the people who listed a gun put it top. They are saying they'd rather have the gun than everything else; it's the last thing they'd jettison. So they'd have the gun when they didn't have any other kit to lose - no water, shelter, fire or whatever. To me this seems strange, but I suppose it depends on where you live. If I were to include a gun, it would be about halfway down.
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#53990 - 11/19/05 10:14 PM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
wildcard163 Offline


Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
Nice to know we've got another Hennessy fan on board, what's the chance of getting some pic.s of your Winter modifications??? I'm always interested in new ideas and other folks' rigs.

Troy

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#53991 - 11/19/05 10:20 PM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
wildcard163 Offline


Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
"Happiness is a cold gun"... who sang that??? Yeah, Yeah, I know who <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Troy

P.S. Just remember, if it's cold, you haven't used it yet <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#53992 - 11/20/05 01:06 AM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
KRamas Offline
Stranger

Registered: 04/04/05
Posts: 22
Loc: Santa Ana, CA.
Unless that went over my head (or more likely thru it ) I think the correct lyric is "....happiness is a warm gun...." sung by the Beatles on their White album.

Frankly, I am with the "I'd rather have it and hope to God I never need it as opposed to needing it and not having it" crowd.

just my half cent

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#53993 - 11/20/05 03:20 AM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
wildcard163 Offline


Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
I stand corrected... I'm more into ZZ Top than the Beatles, but I gave it a try, anyway <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />.

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#53994 - 11/20/05 05:04 AM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
Raspy Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 351
Loc: Centre Hall Pa
Sorry no picture taking or posting capacity. But it was very simple. I added snap studs to the hammoock around the edge and along the climb in slit. I then did a cut and stitch to a heavy-duty space blanket to conform to the outer shape of the hammock. With a corisponding climb in opening wit an overlap. Then added matching snaps. The snap spacings are about a foot apart. To use the SB is snapped to the outside bottom so the shiny reflective side faces into the hammock. Just an extra layer of material. It is a loose fit but the blanket hold the heat in. The other half is a trimmed down SB to cover the body and is not attached. When packed it is a bit bulkyer and heaver. It is like wrapping yourself in a space blanket with fewer hassles.
_________________________
When in danger or in doubt
run in circles scream and shout
RAH

And always remember TANSTAAFL

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#53995 - 11/20/05 05:23 AM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
Anonymous
Unregistered


Biehl tool?
Interesting.

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#53996 - 11/20/05 06:27 AM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
1. pre War Rolls Royce 2. Luftwaffe Drilling in 10.75 rimmedx12x12guage 3. Somellier's tool 4. case of Chateau Lafitte Rothschild '68 5. Hudson's Bay point blanket 6. Ritter RSK 7. wicker picnic basket in boot with lemoge China, sterling silverwear, Waterford wineglasses and assorted breads, cheeses, pates, grey poupon, smoked salmon and chocolates 8. Grundig radio 9. Jerry cans lashed to running boards with petrol and perrier 10. Dunhill sterling silver lighter. You folks are getting to grim. Loosen up <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#53997 - 11/20/05 12:04 PM Re: Minimalist bug out - 10 items or less
Spooky Offline


Registered: 09/27/05
Posts: 23
Loc: S. Wales UK
Dear sir
I would like to apply for the post of chaufer. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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