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#48198 - 09/08/05 05:54 AM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
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Afghan mujahadeen sniped soviet troops with Aks with longer range rifles- including ancient FLINTLOCKS. Lets keep the sturmgewehr discussions to a minimum please.

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#48199 - 09/08/05 08:09 AM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
MGF Offline
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Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 114
Loc: Illinois
Chris, I ask this truly just because I wonder about it, no other reason.

You obviously know guns, you at times don't mind talking about them, and you've been in the service (USCG, right?) where I'd assume you handled some military rifles, yet you get a bit touchy when the talk turns to semi-autos like the AK or the AR.

Is it out of concern for the site's image that the box-fed, hi-cap guns turn you off?

Personally, I've got no horse in this race. I've owned both an AK and an SKS and admittedly got rid of them when they proved not terribly "interesting" per Col. Whelen's definition. The only rifle I own at the moment is a Ruger 10/22, though I did once own an M1 carbine that I thought was a handy and fun little gun.

Just wondering, not challenging your authority as a mod or anything.

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#48200 - 09/08/05 11:20 AM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
Burncycle Offline
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 513
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Afghan mujahadeen sniped soviet troops with Aks with longer range rifles- including ancient FLINTLOCKS. Lets keep the sturmgewehr discussions to a minimum please.


I didn't catch the post before he edited it, but if deer or property invaders decide to snipe, it may become an issue <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Until then, they'll do what they're designed to do just fine; hit a man sized target out to the most common engagement ranges. IMO they're fine for the role, it comes down to personal preference.

un PC as it is to tote one.

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#48201 - 09/08/05 12:03 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
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My two cents are that anything you can learn to take apart and confidently clean and reassemble fits the bill. I started with a Mauser because they are very easy to understand, clean and safe to shoot. Replacing the stock with a fiberglass one would probably help the weight issue.

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#48202 - 09/08/05 12:42 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
harrkev Offline
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Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 384
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
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My two cents are that anything you can learn to take apart and confidently clean and reassemble fits the bill.

WHich brings up the subject of the smallest possible cleaning kit.

To me, the smallest possible cleaning kit would be:
1) Bore snake of the right size.
2) Toothbrush
3) Bottle of combined cleaner/oil
4) Scavenge some rags

Any better ideas for the smallest possible kit?
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#48203 - 09/08/05 03:12 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
I wondered when someone was going to mention this. My personal favorite is what I call my poor man's assault rifle, a No. 5 "Jungle Carbine." Not nearly as accurate as a No.4, but light and easy to carry, and I usually hit what I am shooting at within 200 yards or so...
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#48204 - 09/08/05 03:16 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
I moderate for the goals of ETS, Not Chris Kavanaugh's. Yes, firearms and their discussion is a valid aspect of 'survival.' Writing hypothetical updates of Mel Tappen is not, and it scares away many new guests allready wary of the 'survivalist' image. I am acquainted with Jan Libourel, well known firearms writer and editor. We both agree in most situations a gun is the LAST thing on our wish list. We are also bemused at people who buy a firearm for security and then parade the piece like a newborn son. I subscribe to Elmer Fudd- be wery,wery quiet about it. Ballistic discussions remind me of nervous youths rechecking their 'credentials' at public urinals against the competition. We can laugh at ourselves, I've seen people examining an entire store's stock of compasses to make sure they all point north. My nieghbor had so much stuff in his old chevy stationwagon the local homeboys invited him to a lowrider cruise <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> One ex G/F still talks to her therapist about my snowshoe collection <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />. This is at worse funny, and the general audience can handle it <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> along with BOB,TEOTWAWKI,PSK etc. But firearm minutae is best taken to the many wonderfull firearm forums or discussed through PMS and emails once a common interest as been established. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#48205 - 09/08/05 06:05 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
MMULLINS Offline
CRUMP
Newbie

Registered: 02/25/05
Posts: 33
Loc: GREAT FALLS, MT
As a self professed "gun nut" I must chime in here with some thoughts. Springfield Armory does in fact, still manufacture the little M-6 Scout rifle and they are neat as always. Another fantastic choice in a survival rifle would be the ruger Mini-30..basically a Mini-14 in the ubiquitious "AK-47" round the 7.62X39. These are so cheap that it's almost funny at some shows and stores how much of it a person can afford. It does hit with authority as Mr Kavanaugh can attest to, plus if really needed for game will kill deer and perhaps even larger game just fine. is it as good as a 338 Win Mag? No, but it's survival, and you can keep shooting until the game drops correct? These little handy rifles are light, and easy to shoot for all but the weakest people. Right now youi can even see these rifles slung across the backs of various LE units in New Orleans. Cops prefer them beecause they don't hardly cost what an AR-15 does, and are not prone to dirty failures as much, meaning you don't have to clean them that much. Yes, all guns do need care and this one is no different, but they work, and work well.

As to storing your guns dry martinfocazio, cut that out already...it's no wonder you found rust on a weapon. Buy yourrself a can of spray stuff, your choice, that displaces moisture. outers, Rem Oil, too many to list really. I live here in Alaska and fighting moisture here is a lesson in futility ometimes, but you CAN beat it..just don't be afraid to use the stuff, it won't hurt your weapons.


Edited by MMULLINS (09/08/05 06:07 PM)
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#48206 - 09/08/05 08:16 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable--clean kit
anotherinkling Offline
Member

Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Chicago
I recently picked up an Otis Tactical Cleaning Kit:
MidwayUSA

Has to be one of the smallest, well-equipped kits around. $35 and about the size of a filet mignon. Yum.

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#48207 - 09/08/05 08:18 PM Re: Rifle, low maintenance but reliable
MartinFocazio Offline

Pooh-Bah

Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2148
Loc: Bucks County PA
I can assure you that the M6 is no longer made - I called and confirmed this personally. I like the Mini-30, very cool.
As far as storing "dry" I mean a lubricated gun in a very dry box with one of those stick heater thingys.

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