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#43108 - 07/07/05 05:40 AM Ok, London won
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Our british friends won the Olympic Games. Congratulations, but I've allready observed online french bashing akin to my nieghbor's old West German VW Vanwagon sporting a' boycott France' and' buy American' stickers <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Somebody has to win and others lose. Personally, I intend to win. I figure Paris will be relatively uncrowded then. Think I'll plan a trip to field test l'opinels on brie with Alain and see how dumb I can look in a wool beret <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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#43109 - 07/07/05 09:43 AM Re: Ok, London won
Stokie Offline
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Registered: 02/05/04
Posts: 175
Loc: Paris, France
In reference to "I figure Paris will be relatively uncrowded then." read empty.

Have a heart for a poor ex-pat brit lost in the back streets of Paris. All my French friends are ribbing because I'm English and all my English friends are jeering because I live in France. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> I was really hoping Spain would win so I could avoid this. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ( sorry Alain )

Come on over any time I sure Alain and I can somewhere to test those opinels.


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#43110 - 07/07/05 10:07 AM Re: Ok, London won
Anonymous
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After the bombings this morning, there is no celebration in London, unfortuneatly. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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#43111 - 07/07/05 11:48 AM Re: Ok, London won
Polak187 Offline
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Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Brooklyn, New York
Well London didnt really win that much if you heard the news that came in @ 5 am.
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#43112 - 07/07/05 02:53 PM Re: Ok, London won
Stokie Offline
Member

Registered: 02/05/04
Posts: 175
Loc: Paris, France
Hi Chris

Heartfelt sympathy to all the victims and relatives of the victims of this morning attacks in London.

II feel bad about my earlier comments in light of these latest events.

I have a sister that works in London, so far I've not been able to contact her. One thing I know she doesn't take either the bus or the tube. But she will have been in the panic caused by the gridlock and all the newscasts about the attacks.


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#43113 - 07/07/05 08:53 PM Re: Ok, London won
Anonymous
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Time for me to share my scary thought of the day:

I would not be at suprised if the bombings this morning and yesterday's rewarding of the Olympic locale were related.

Paris and London are only few hours drive apart, right? And they were both in the final running for the Olympics. One team/cell for London and Paris with two big manila envlopes of plans....

So how many other cells are out there?

There, out of my system, hope I don't depress anyone more than I do myself.

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#43114 - 07/07/05 09:13 PM Re: Ok, London won
GoatRider Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 835
Loc: Maple Grove, MN
ironsraven,

This sounds rather well coordinated. It certainly took at least several months to organize, and London was announced as the olympic site just yesterday.
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#43115 - 07/07/05 09:39 PM Re: Ok, London won
Anonymous
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Yes, it was. And I've had things planned for months before I execute them.

For an example:
As many may have gathered, I work in IT. In fact, I returned to college to up my degree, and am spending the summer working for the IT department at my school. For several months, we've been planning on cleaning out the room we use to store our dead and obsolete machines in, while looking for a disposal vender. Last week, we got news that it needed to go NOW, becuase on Monday, we are loosing a wall to that room. So, we selected a vender, who was going to be picking up the material tommorrow at 2pm.

At noon today, we got a call that the vender's truck was waiting for us. So, without any pallets (which we were going to be picking up tonight) or shrink wrap, and only half the people we planned on, we loaded just under 4 tons (accroding to the driver) of equipment in 90 minutes. All by hand, with only a tiny elevator and hand trucks.

Lack of time can be compensated for by planning and knowing your team. If these guys had good recon, and time to sand table this, maybe even play the tourist, they could have gone with only a few hours notice. Review the plans, load the bombs and the guys in a minivan. Two drivers who swap off so they both can nap. The plans don't seem that complicated, we just like to think they were becuase there were mulitple, near simulatanous attacks. That's easy- timers.

Yes, my senario menas that they had to also look at Paris. How many people tour Europe for a long vacation? Not hard- spend a 4-6 days checking out London, another 4-6 checking out Paris. A week to plan. Maybe there were two cells? Harder on thier operational security, but easy on the cells. The go signal is the selection of the Olympic city. If thier city wins, that city looses.

If anything, the stations that were hit makes me think that it wasn't perfectly executed. Paddington wasn't touched, but in thier shoes, I might have. (Isn't Paddington London's answer to Penn Station?) The bus feels like it was an afterthought, or there was a lot of buses that weren't hit.

Again, this type of thing wouldn't be complicated. Anyone with infantry training could pull it off. At least I hope any military that deserves the description should be teaching how to coordinate simulatous attacks with multiple elements. Even if you restrict it to NCOs and junior officers, what percentage of the world's males does that include?

Now I'm really depressed, becuase I know this stuff is probably being echeloned by the NSA, and my file is getting thicker. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


Edited by ironsraven (07/07/05 09:42 PM)

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#43116 - 07/08/05 05:09 AM Re: Ok, London won
frenchy Offline
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Registered: 12/18/02
Posts: 1320
Loc: France
Welcome in Paris, Chris !

Just PM before arriving, so we (Stokie and I) can plan a reception comitee, with some of the Crazy Horse's girls.....

Stokie, congrat for "winning" the O. games.

But it looks like the "price" is higher than anything planned for (if the terrorists attacks are linked....).

Mournings.

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