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#42331 - 06/26/05 03:12 AM Shotguns
GeorgeM Offline
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Registered: 06/21/05
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How do Mosberg 12 gauge pump shotguns compare with others such as the Remington 870? Thanks. GeorgeM

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#42332 - 06/26/05 03:39 AM Re: Shotguns
Anonymous
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That is the Ford-Chevy debate of the shotgunning world, you realise this. I'm going to assume you are talking pump actions...

The Mossberg is a little less expensive, but the M500 (single action bar) is cheeper than the Remington 870. Both the Moss M500 and M590 (dual bars, 95% of them are in tactical configuration, and they can't use the M500 sporter barrels) use a tang mounted safety. That makes them a little better suited for southpaws. Becuase of how they do thier endcaps, you can't mount a magazine tube extension.

Remington 870 is just as common, but a little more expensive. It has a push button safety forward of the trigger gaurd, which is well suited to right handed use. There is a left handed version available, but it is made in limited numbers, and as a lefty, you can learn to hit it with the supporting hand while doing a press check on the tube and lifter. You can put magazine tube extentions on the 870 easily, some production runs might need the use of a small drill, but nothing that needs a gunsmith.

Let's toss in the Mavrick 88 for grins and giggles. Mavrick is a line owned by Mossberg, and their 88 is basically a Moss M500 wioth a push button safety. It can use a lot, but not all of the same parts as the Mossberg.

Both the Mossberg and the Remington are super, super common. Between the two of them, they probably hold half the market on pump guns. That means that you can get accessories and mods for both pretty much anyplace. Cabela's, Gander Mountain, Sportsman Guide, etc, all have replacement barrels. Everyone who makes tactical gizmos supports both of them. Having shot the Moss 500 and 590, the Mav 88 , and the Rem 870, I'd say they are of equal quality, really. The Mossberk 500 and 950 and the Remington 870 are still serving in active duty in Afganistan and Iraq, despite the adoption of the Benelli M4 and that clumsy little attempt at an underbarrel (don't know it's model number, sorry).

What I would say is, try them in the shop, see what you like best. But get a 3" chamber- you probably won't NEED it, but you will have it if you ever do. I also find that the longer chamers seem to feed a little cleaner with hulls that have been reloaded too many times.

My personal choice is the old Ithica M37. I wouldn't run 3" shells in it, even if the chamber could handle it, in an origonal, but the new production 37, and the 80s era 87 can do it. It is hard to argue with a reciever milled from a single, monolithic block of steel, and possibly the lowest part count of any repeating shotgun. (I'm not sure if the new production 37s use the milled reciever; I know the 87s used an investment cast one.)

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#42333 - 06/26/05 03:50 AM Re: Shotguns
MGF Offline
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Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 114
Loc: Illinois
Ironsraven has summed it up nicely, though he might have said this is "one" of the Ford-Chevy debates. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Another is: Beretta 686 line of over/unders vs. the Browning Citori line?

But I think I'm straying from the survival/emergency topic, so I won't go there.

Ironsraven, have you had any experience with the Benelli Nova pump guns?

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#42334 - 06/26/05 04:02 AM Re: Shotguns
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Not yet, but they look spiffy. Nice lines, and Benelli most definantly not Euro-trash.

Oh, and I forgot to mention- there is a Norinco copy of the Ithica M37 out there. I haven't seen one yet, but Norinco's clones are usually pretty decent. Particularly when you consider they don't pay for the rights to bootleg American and European designs, and the entire company is owned stock, dock and sweat-shop by the ChiCom government. Thier Rem 870 clone is decent, as are thier copies of the 1911, M1A and AR15, but they still are using political prisoners as forced factory workers.

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#42335 - 06/26/05 04:20 AM Re: Shotguns
anotherinkling Offline
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Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Chicago
Depends on what you're going to be using it for. Mossberg and Remington both make good guns. Some US military use Mossbergs, but that's partly for reliability and partly for price. Remington's smoother, more robust and, yes, more expensive. I debated this for awhile and decided on a Winchester 1300 Defender as the best balance for my needs. My dad has a Mossberg 590 and, though it shoots fine, the Winchester is more accurate and has better fit and finish.

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#42336 - 06/26/05 05:38 AM Re: Shotguns
MGF Offline
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Registered: 06/16/05
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Loc: Illinois
I'm glad this topic came up. I've been thinking about getting a pump gun for defense/emergency use. Have four 0/Us, but three of them are stored with family. Only have an O/U 20 ga. and an airweight .38 S&W Centennial at home these days. I'm feeling a bit lightly armed.

Had forgotten W's Model 1300 .... will get out and look at one, as well as the Mossberg and Remington guns. Have never handled a 1300, but know It's gotten good reviews.

Shot a Winchester Model 42 (the scaled-down Model 12; both of 'em out of production) a couple weekends ago. While I'm not a fan of the .410 in general, that was one sweet-handling little gun.

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#42337 - 06/26/05 05:42 AM Re: Shotguns
7k7k99 Offline
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Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 375
Loc: Ohio
Have two of the Mossberg 500's as my self-defense/survival guns, one with a pistol grip for short range and one with a folding stock/pistol grip for longer range. Love the mossbergs and have had them since the late 70's. Shot the Remington during Security training, but like the mossbergs better, plus they were less expensive than the Remington's. Can't beat your basic 12 gauge for intimidation factor.

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#42338 - 06/26/05 06:08 AM Re: Shotguns
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Who, or what is on the business end of your scattergun? I had an old 97 Winchester trenchbroom with bayonet. People saw that thing and had sweaty flashbacks to The WILD BUNCH. I like to think I looked like William Holden, probably more like Warren Oates or Ernie Borgnine. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I finally traded it for a mule with four 10 gauge hooves for ranch security <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />. My G/F wanted something simple, and remember even experienced users can short cycle a pump when excited. I had a 16 gauge belgian guild Hammer sidelock with IC bores on 28" tubes! We cut those down and installed a solid english pad. Hammer guns leave no mistake about their status, those hammers laid back like a angry dog's ears. Consider your loads too. OO buck can overpenetrate indoors and I've known of people failing to place any meaningfull hits. Get the smaller , and more numerous buck loadings for less penetration and more pattern placement.

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#42339 - 06/26/05 06:27 AM Re: Shotguns
MGF Offline
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Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 114
Loc: Illinois
Chris, I figure if I ever find myself reaching for a short-barrel pump gun, I'm in a very bad situation. For sport, I like O/Us or trim English style side-by-sides with 28" tubes.

I'd agree on the shot size ... I've always thought single-0 or No. 1 buck would be a good defense load.

Re inexperience, no doubt. If I do buy a pump gun, I'll get it out to practice with ... hand-thrown clay birds (that little red thrower from MTM is inexpensive and works), hedgeballs, etc. would probably be my practice targets. Would also run some defense loads through it to get used to the feel.

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#42340 - 06/26/05 01:23 PM Re: Shotguns
GeorgeM Offline
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Registered: 06/21/05
Posts: 25
Thanks for the replies. A lot of good and valuable information was provided. GeorgeM

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