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#30566 - 08/23/04 12:49 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
Anonymous
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There was an LA police officer some years back that had a GREAT idea:

If you want to reduce crime, get a gun, learn how to use it properly and safely, and make sure there's only one story to tell.

Now, if this happened nationwide, what do you think would happen to the crime rate? If you're a rapist, burglar or terrorist, and you KNEW most of the people were armed, how would you feel? Would you just consider your crime, or follow up on it?

Admittedly, it's a pretty pathetic country that would have to come to this, but America has become almost totally insane. I have heard that most democracies only last about 200 years. I guess our time is up.

BTW, I'm not going to spell it out, but there IS a useful weapon that can probably be carried on a plane, train or bus, that would probably be overlooked upon inspection. You weapons guys know what it is, right?

'Pup

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#30567 - 08/23/04 04:11 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Wildcard163:

Just think of the adult diaper and toilet paper stocks you could make money on if that happened.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#30568 - 08/23/04 04:44 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
bountyhunter Offline


Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
DBAGuy:

I agree the people who carried out 9/11 were middle-eastern extremists of the Islamic faith.

I strongly believe the first tier of supporters for their logistics and finances were also middle-eastern extremists of the Islamic faith.

I somewhat believe that the second tier of supporters for their logistics and finances were also middle-eastern extremists of the Islamic faith.

After the second tier, I believe you will run into muddy water about who financed what.

I do not believe that 9/11 was planned by middle-easterners who hate us but was planned by people who would gain money, power, and control of assets by getting us into a war.

My parents are of Serbian descent and have absolutely no love for Turks or Middle-Easterners because of the Ottoman Empire that ruled their country for almost 400 years. They always spoke badly of Islamic cultures to me, but I am American raised since age 5 and do not share their hatred, but judge people by my experience. I tell you this so that you understand that my upbringing has not colored my opinions in a favorable manner for middle-easterners.

Timothy McVeigh did not kill 2 or 3 people, and you seem to have missed the point that he is the "next door neighbor" I was referring to when comparing terrorist acts.

My main reasons for not believing that 9/11 was not planned or initiated by middle-easterners of the Islamic faith is from part of my parents teachings. Muslims do things on days that are special to them. 9/11 is Americas Madison avenue type of occurance which was done on a day that conincides with our telephone emergency number so that people would not forget. The middle-eastern countries have nothing to gain in the long term by attacking the mightiest nation in the world and then doing it on a day that would be etched in our collective minds forever. They lost lives, military equipment, money, oil production control and are now an occupied country. They didn't plan 9/11, but they will now try to punish us with terrorist acts because we acted against them, and the powers that put this all together will control the American people more and give us less.

Follow the money and leave personal hateful feelings out of it, and you will see a whole new tunnel that we are being guided into and through. That tunnel is not for the benefit of the average American citizen.

Bountyhunter


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#30569 - 08/23/04 01:45 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
Let me get this straight. You think that the people who were ultimately responsible for planning the 9-11 mass murders were not middle-eastern? You mention "Madison avenue". but nobody else. Please explain if you can what countries, organizations, and politicians you believe were behind it. I know that there was a congresswoman down in Georgia who thought that George W. Bush did it. You don't think it goes all the way to him do you?

Conspriracy theories have always fascinated me. Not because I believe in any of them but because it is interesting to see how they can be so elaborately constructed with ZERO evidence.

Regards, Vince

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#30570 - 08/23/04 01:59 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
"Stop and think how being "accidently" put on a "no fly" list can affect business ventures, free speech, social activism, and physical health if you are not allowed to fly. I believe the placement of Senator Ted Kennedys name on the "no fly" list was done intentionally for the purpose of threatening the masses who would complain about the abuses of power going on right now. It seems to work on you because you really believe it is for the nations good, and it is not."

I believe in being vigilant where the powers of my government are concerned. I do not believe in being paranoid. I do not see sinister conspiratorial forces behind every simple bureaucratic foulup. I have no doubt that Ted Kennedy thinks that being put on a no-fly list was a plot by the Bush administration to destroy him politically. Sorry, I don't think that Ted is that important anymore.

Personally, I would much rather have him flying than driving! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Regards, Vince

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#30571 - 08/23/04 02:34 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
“I'm not sure what you think I said, except that what you think I said bears no resemblance to what I said…..”

I was responding to this quote from you:

“Terrorists generally are people who feel they are powerless to change the status quo in any other way.”

The rest of the comments on that post were my own, not yours (hence no quotation marks.)

“If you believe that their claims are totally unjustified (or if they're so far gone in their hatred that they don't even have any claims), then the only possible response is to fight them, and accept that there will be casualties on both sides along the way.”

I agree completely with this, and I also believe that this exactly describes why we must fight them. The idea is to make sure that their casualties are far greater than ours. I would bet that after Afghanistan and Iraq we have come close to achieving this, but there are a lot of them left.

Regards, Vince

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#30572 - 08/23/04 02:48 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
Let me be absolutely clear: I never advocated a "final" solution or anything like it. I did not even use that term so the use of quotations is misleading. (I'm sure it was unintentional but it stilll needs correcting.) I advocate the extermination of enemy combatants and the destruction of the network that supports them. In other words, war.

Vince

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#30573 - 08/23/04 09:17 PM Re: ambulances being cased in NY for use in terrorism?
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
Approximately 2 months ago we (Emergency Services) were notified that all ambulances, medic units and fire apparatus responding to Ft. Detrick under a mutual aid agreement would now have to stop at the front gate and be inspected before proceeding onto the base. This was in response to intelligence reports, that potential terrorist attacks might employ emergency vehicles. Pete

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#30574 - 08/23/04 09:35 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
Anonymous
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Zippo and a can of hairspray???

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#30575 - 08/23/04 09:46 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
Anonymous
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Chapaquidic Ted is about as dangerous as it gets if you're a law-abiding gun owner!

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