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#297949 - 01/07/21 02:26 PM Proposed Bail Out Bag
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2573
Loc: Somewhere in Florida
I discussed what I'm doing with Mom. I'm building a one-person survival system as a proof of concept. If we like it, I will expand it to include her.

The one-person system consists of a backpack and a duffle bag. Other than adding the PSP, which I have, The SEVENTY2, which I currently have, will remain unmodified. That will be the backpack part of the system.

https://unchartedsupplyco.com/products/the-seventy2

I'm using the Complete as a model but I won't be using it as is.

https://www.stormpacks.com/products/complete

Instead, I'm getting the Skeleton, with the submersible bag, sleeping bag, and Inferno with fuel canisters.

https://www.stormpacks.com/products/skelton-pack-it-yourself?variant=29955068002413

https://www.stormpacks.com/collections/storm-packs/products/sterno-inferno-stove

In the hydration organizer, I'm including water packets and water purification tablets. I'm including a 10-Litre Foldable Water Storage Container in the duffle bag but not in the hydration organizer.

https://72hours.ca/collections/emergency-water-2/products/10-gallon-foldable-water-storage-container

In the nutrition organizer, I'm including six freeze-dried meals and a camping multi-tool.

https://72hours.ca/collections/cooking/products/6-in-1-tool-kit-camping-multi-tool

In the essentials organizer, I'm including a poncho, Three Wick 36HR Candle, tissue pack, a roll of duct tape in addition to what I have in the backpack, playing cards, GI can opener, Emergency Preparedness Guidebook (maybe), and a pencil.

https://www.emergencyzone.com/products/e...372f6&_ss=r

I will include a two-person hygiene kit but I don't know if I will have it in the essentials organizer or separate.

https://www.emergencyzone.com/products/deluxe-hygiene-4-person?_pos=1&_sid=50b4b16fd&_ss=r

I'm also including a roll of toilet paper, but it won't be in the organizer.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#297950 - 01/07/21 04:28 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3544
Loc: USA
I'm not a fan of TheSEVENTY2.

  • It's expensive for what it contains
  • The standalone flashlight is a "zoomie"; while I haven't handled this specific unit the type, in my experience, is neither high performing nor rugged
  • The multitool is not one that I can recommend
  • If the entrenching tool is the one I think it is, it's quite flimsy
  • No information about the knife is provided, but I know I'm not a fan of black coatings on a knife that I want to be able to find if I drop it
  • I don't recognize the emergency blanket but it looks like it would be an inexpensive mylar version -- the Heatsheets 2-person is far superior in ruggedness and usability


I could go on, suffice it to say that I could build a kit with better components for much less than this costs. It's not all bad news, the Sawyer filter is excellent (and what I would pick), the Datrex rations are well regarded, and the radio/cellcharger/flashlight (if it's the Eton it looks like) is very good.

The Sterno stove wouldn't be my choice, I chose an inexpensive isopropane stove (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NJYV3NP/) -- it works surprisingly well for the price. If I understand correctly, Sterno puts out a lot less heat for a given weight of fuel.

I don't see anything for navigation, a headlamp, or redundancy for fire.

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#297953 - 01/07/21 05:40 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
TeacherRO Offline
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2560
Depends on users and climate.

I would not carry a full roll of duct tape.

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#297954 - 01/07/21 05:41 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: chaosmagnet]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2573
Loc: Somewhere in Florida
Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
The Sterno stove wouldn't be my choice, I chose an inexpensive isopropane stove (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NJYV3NP/) -- it works surprisingly well for the price.

I did look at that stove but went with the Inferno, which can be used indoors.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#297956 - 01/07/21 05:43 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: TeacherRO]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2573
Loc: Somewhere in Florida
Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
I would not carry a full roll of duct tape.

It does appear to be overkill, but I think I should have extra duct tape.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#297958 - 01/07/21 05:46 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
TeacherRO Offline
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2560
I also think a hiking pack, properly fitted with a beefy hip belt is a good place to start.

Also, always pack water.

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#297966 - 01/07/21 06:00 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: chaosmagnet]
hikermor Online   content
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7507
Loc: southern Cal
+1 heartily agree with Chaosmagnet. Overpriced and under quality. Basically you can do much better buying contents individually.

Sterno fuel is ok for chafing dishes but inadequate for cooking or water purification. I have a folding shovel like the one depicted and it is ok but needlessly heavy. I prefer a model with a wooden handle. No name multitool - get a Leatherman.

You should try out the components in this kit, at least in your backyard or on a camping trip where shortcomings will not result in a crisis. There is a lot you will replace.
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#297967 - 01/07/21 06:03 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: chaosmagnet]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2573
Loc: Somewhere in Florida
Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
I don't see anything for navigation,

The PSP has a compass.

Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
a headlamp,

The following would be my first choice.

https://zpacks.com/products/petzl-e-lite-headlamp

Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
or redundancy for fire.

I have two of the three methods. I might throw in a disposable lighter.

Jeanette Isabelle
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“Birds of a feather sure know how to clip each other’s wings, huh?” Lutz, Ascendance of a Bookworm: Part 2 Volume 4

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#297969 - 01/07/21 06:08 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: hikermor]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2573
Loc: Somewhere in Florida
Originally Posted By: hikermor
You should try out the components in this kit, at least in your backyard or on a camping trip where shortcomings will not result in a crisis. There is a lot you will replace.

I already tested The SEVENTY2 that I have and wrote a review.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#297973 - 01/07/21 07:37 PM Re: Proposed Bail Out Bag [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Ren Offline
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Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 321
Loc: Wales, UK
Would replace that camping multitool with a SAK and a spoon and fork or spork.

A Bantam provides knife, can & bottle opener, tweezers and toothpick for $16.

https://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/Medium-Pocket-Knives/Bantam/p/0.2303

Few bucks more, a Walker also has a wood saw. The back of which also makes a good ferro rod striker.

https://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/Medium-Pocket-Knives/Walker/p/0.2313



Edited by Ren (01/07/21 07:46 PM)

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