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#295146 - 03/12/20 06:12 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: chaosmagnet]
hikermor Offline
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Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
Spending a lot of time, as I do, around firearms, I carry a compact trauma kit. Maybe a couple extra batteries for your flashlight. Also, consider a Ritter PSP, a 2 person Heatsheets blanket, and some kind of water container. Maybe also some chlorine dioxide tablets.


Exactly. FAKs should reflect the most likely used environment. Mine is less concerned with firearms related injuries (most of the time) and is more gear toward sprains and breaks that will halt evacuation or mobility from back country.

Training is the most critical component, since you must first recognize the problem before you can do anything meaningful to correct it.

An example of lack of training from years ago. A victim shot himself in the leg, bleeding profusely. The sole measure taken by his companions was to loosen his belt. He died.
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#295148 - 03/12/20 08:49 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: teacher]
KenK Offline
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Registered: 06/26/04
Posts: 2112
Loc: NE Wisconsin
That is a great point: "FAKs should reflect the most likely used environment."

Thanks! And the same for hiking/bug out kits, I suppose.

In my mind I was thinking moderately serious cuts, because of what I do and my own history. Broken bones for me have just been a car ride to the ER with limited immobilization.

And, very serious injury would be a call to an ambulance. I don't go deep into the backcountry these days.

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#295157 - 03/13/20 02:05 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: Russ]
Russ Offline
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Loc: SOCAL
Thanks for the responses. Not mentioned is a 20’ length of 550 paracord. I could easily drop a DR PSP in the bag, but question what would be gained. This “Bailout bag” is for a more or less benign environment (a true benign environment doesn’t require anything but a smile) where I would like to take additional gear that some here might consider EDC. EDC for me is pocket carry.

The FAK is minimal and not designed for more that small cuts/scrapes, although in addition to the band-aids it does have a 4x4 and EMT shears which may allow for expedient first aid. The FAK in the kit includes:
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3ea. 2” X 3” Fabric Bandages
3ea. Fabric Finger Tip Bandages
3ea. Fabric Knuckle Bandages
5ea. 7/8” X 3” Fabric Strip Bandages
4ea. Alcohol Prep Pad
4ea. Povidone-Iodine Prep Pad
3ea. Triple Antibiotic Ointment
1ea. 4” x 4” Gauze Pad
and 5.5” trauma shears. I may add a small roll of first aid type tape.

I won’t be adding water purification, that’s outside the scope of this bag; I might add a water bottle. I have added a 5x8 spiral notebook & pen for taking notes.

Like most kits should be, it’s a work in progress.

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#295162 - 03/13/20 09:26 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: teacher]
teacher Offline
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Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 910
Mine has: water, jacket, otc meds, sometimes a mutlitool.

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#295164 - 03/13/20 11:57 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: teacher]
KenK Offline
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Loc: NE Wisconsin
And ... good EMT shears can cut a pizza in a real emergency!!

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#295165 - 03/14/20 01:53 AM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: KenK]
Russ Offline
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Loc: SOCAL
Always good to have your priorities straight. wink

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#295344 - 03/21/20 03:41 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: Russ]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5333
Loc: SOCAL
I made some additions to the kit, most previously mentioned. I’m staying with the Timbuk2 XS Messenger Bag (549 ci, nylon) for now. It’s a tight fit, but it makes me prioritize to keep it minimal.

The current contents include:
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Garmin Oregon 600 GPS.
Kyocera DuraXV, 4G LTE cellphone, waterproof/shockproof...
Anker 10,000 mAh power-bank, plus cables
Ziplock1: Minimal FAK, one pair of nitrile gloves.
Ziplock2: N-99 Isolation masks & add’l nitrile gloves.
Additional cash in a small pouch.
My Kindle for passing the time reading if it comes to that.
Readers.
Leatherman.
Back-up 1xAA LED flashlight.
20’ length of 550 paracord
16 oz, Nalgene water bottle
5x8 spiral notebook & pen.

The FAK in the kit includes:
3ea. 2” X 3” Fabric Bandages
3ea. Fabric Finger Tip Bandages
3ea. Fabric Knuckle Bandages
5ea. 7/8” X 3” Fabric Strip Bandages
4ea. Alcohol Prep Pad
4ea. Povidone-Iodine Prep Pad
3ea. Triple Antibiotic Ointment
1ea. 4” x 4” Gauze Pad
1 ea. Generic/waterproof First Aid tape
5.5” trauma shears.

I’m considering going with a smaller power-bank. The Anker 10K’s weight is not insignificant and a 3350mAh PB is available that would probably be enough for the short term this bag is intended. That’s enough for two full charges on the phone, and it’s much smaller and lighter in weight.

Again, it’s a work in progress.

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#295744 - 04/14/20 03:31 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: teacher]
teacher Offline
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Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 910
I've moved up to larger water bottles; 24 or 30oz

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#295747 - 04/14/20 11:28 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: teacher]
haertig Offline
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Registered: 03/13/05
Posts: 2159
Loc: Colorado
During this pandemic, "bugging out" means moving from the bedroom to the kitchen to the family room, and then circling back. So my bug out gear consists of my bathrobe and slippers. And I just wear this gear, instead of stuffing it into a BOB and carrying it.

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#295756 - 04/16/20 07:01 PM Re: Your bug out bag has the wrong gear [Re: teacher]
Chisel Offline
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Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 1269
It is true that many of us most likely will be bugging out from town A to town B, and settle in a hotel or with relatives, but let's remember that we may get stuck in the middle and then we may need that knife or stove.

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