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#295209 - 03/15/20 04:49 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
Ren Offline
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Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 245
A hospital here (south Wales, UK) received the first CV patient in Wales a week or so ago.
Immediately caused disruption, 3 anaesthetists had to self isolate, putting the theatres into a staff shortage situation. Normal planned routines cancelled. Urgent and emergency operations only.
Situation went up the chain, and now it's now nationwide policy.
Staff retraining for makeshift intensive care duty (unfamiliar PPE and kit) ready for the wave.


Edited by Ren (03/15/20 04:50 PM)

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#295210 - 03/15/20 04:52 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Russ]
Michael2 Offline
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Registered: 10/07/04
Posts: 51
Quote:
Okay, itís Sunday morning ó time to go out for breakfast.


Here's another opinion:

Please, Donít Go Out to Brunch Today

"Gathering in groups right now is selfish and puts the lives of others at risk."

"Continuing the weekend tradition of packing the bars is selfish and reckless during this pandemic. It will speed up the spread of the virus, increasing the suffering for older and more vulnerable people and for the medical workers who will be caring for them. Though the virus appears dramatically less fatal for those under 50, younger, healthier people can still contract the virus, not show symptoms and infect at-risk populations."

"Social distancing is a responsibility. Itís not about panicking and quarantining to protect oneís self, but to protect others around you."

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#295211 - 03/15/20 05:06 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1161
Loc: Channeled Scablands
Have two family members, one of who works within a block of the nursing home in Kirkwood WA where the US infections were first noticed, that are at home with lung infections. Doctor wouldn't see or even call back so their mom took them to urgent care. Urgent care wouldn't test them for CV19 or even for the flu, but said to go home and stay there. Both have asthma so are feeling pretty bad. They are in their 20's, Regular inhalers weren't helping so they got a special steroid version that insurance wouldn't cover at $350 each. Praying for them.

I have been trying to contact my DR for a medication adjustment, but no response for a couple of days. The triage nurse is the only person I have been able to talk too. She said keep trying, also to stay away from urgent cares and ER's. I am in Eastern WA.

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#295213 - 03/15/20 05:46 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5333
Loc: SOCAL
Michael2 ó A complete quote would have shown that to be levity. One thing we should try to keep in stressful times is our sense of humor.

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#295214 - 03/15/20 06:00 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
Michael2 Offline
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Registered: 10/07/04
Posts: 51
Quote:
One thing we should try to keep in stressful times is our sense of humor.


Absolutely! A sense of humor is definitely a good survival tool.

It's worth remembering, however, that a lot of people are confused and not as well-informed as the regulars on this forum. There are also many that are slow to realize the seriousness of the situation. Under those circumstances, it's worth giving a second thought to posts that minimize the nature of the problem or suggest that it is all just a big joke.


Edited by Michael2 (03/15/20 06:06 PM)

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#295215 - 03/15/20 06:38 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5333
Loc: SOCAL
And a complete quote would have included information indicating that COVID-19 is serious and that we should all be checking for lung issues on a daily basis. Just because youíre negative today doesnít mean youíll be negative tomorrow.

COVID-19 is wild now, itís virtually everywhere. Does this mean we should go all stop? No, it means we need to take precautions. Iíve always avoided large crowds and never do Sunday brunch; people eating off a buffet line is simply a non-starter. I do occasionally do breakfast ó just me ó and the excellent short order cook does my eggs just right. Monday will be better though, fewer people in the restaurant and the parking lot will have more places to park. Hopefully the panic buying will be done.

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#295216 - 03/15/20 07:00 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
raptor Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Europe
Some good info worth sharing:

Lessons from the ebola outbreaks from Mike Ryan:
"Be fast, have no regrets." ; "Speed trumps perfection."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi69S1UNAVA&t=1847


Two podcasts by Sam Harris with experts:

#190 - How Should We Respond to Coronavirus?
A Conversation with Nicholas Christakis
https://samharris.org/podcasts/190-respond-coronavirus/

#191 - Early Thoughts on a Pandemic
A Conversation with Amesh Adalja
https://samharris.org/podcasts/191-early-thoughts-pandemic/

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#295219 - 03/15/20 09:07 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1161
Loc: Channeled Scablands
More symptoms from family who likely have it. Toes turning blue from lack of oxygen.

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#295220 - 03/15/20 09:27 PM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
raptor Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Europe
Also Joe Rogan has an informative podcast with expert Michael Osterholm on this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

Sorry if this has already been posted on this forum.

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#295225 - 03/16/20 03:07 AM Re: Flatten the Curve [Re: Michael2]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3360
Loc: USA
Iíve canceled my annual physical to free my doctor and his staff for more urgent work, and to keep myself away from his waiting room full of sick people.

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