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#295088 - 03/09/20 11:14 PM Well, Italy is shutdown
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Italy just closed.
We will se ho this helps

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#295091 - 03/10/20 01:47 AM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Given the Italian cultural "disregard" for authority, could get interesting. One advantage China, or any authoritarian regime, is they can actually control the populace, more or less, for better or worse.
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#295092 - 03/10/20 01:49 AM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Recent article on a closed website notes that Italians have the secons oldest population in the world and virtually all their many deaths are over age 70, most over 80!
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#295093 - 03/10/20 01:53 AM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Global data on the lethality of the new virus show that the elderly are much more likely to succumb to Covid-19, the respiratory disease caused by the virus, than the young.

In Italy, which has the oldest population in the world after Japan, 58% of Covid-19 patients who died so far were over 80 years old, and a further 31% were in their 70s, according to the National Institute of Health, Italy’s disease-control agency.

“If we break it down by age group, our death rates are similar, or even lower, than those reported in China,” Giovanni Rezza, the institute’s chief epidemiologist, told reporters on Monday. “For better or for worse, we have a very old population.”
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#295097 - 03/10/20 06:21 AM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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The mortality rate in almost unbelievably low for infants and toddlers. From what I can find almost no deaths have occurred in patients under eight!
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#295098 - 03/10/20 11:40 AM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Italian press release with link to the a PDF with age/gender breakdown.

Italian Higher Institute of Health press release


Edited by Ren (03/10/20 11:49 AM)

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#295099 - 03/10/20 11:59 AM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: Phaedrus]
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When looking at the demographics of who is dying from COVID-19, few of the stats break out smokers from non-smokers; however ACE2 may be a vector (if that’s the correct term).

Tobacco-use disparity in gene expression of ACE2, the receptor of 2019-nCov
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Abstract
In current severe global emergency situation of 2019-nCov outbreak, it is imperative to identify vulnerable and susceptible groups for effective protection and care. Recently, studies found that 2019-nCov and SARS-nCov share the same receptor, ACE2. In this study, we analyzed four large-scale datasets of normal lung tissue to investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene expression. No significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression were found between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian), age groups (>60 vs <60) or gender groups (male vs female). However, we observed significantly higher ACE2 gene expression in smoker samples compared to non- smoker samples. This indicates the smokers may be more susceptible to 2019-nCov and thus smoking history should be considered in identifying susceptible population and standardizing treatment regimen.


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#295100 - 03/10/20 12:03 PM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Have no idea how popular smoking is in Italy but from link above

"The analysis confirms that 56.6% of the deceased people are over 80 years old, and two thirds of them have 3 or more pre-existing chronic diseases."

So 37% of deaths are over 80, with 3 or more pre existing conditions.

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#295101 - 03/10/20 12:33 PM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Seems CDC got the memo.

People at Risk for Serious Illness from COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html


Edited by Ren (03/10/20 12:33 PM)

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#295104 - 03/10/20 02:44 PM Re: Well, Italy is shutdown [Re: teacher]
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Yes. It appears that healthy lungs is a key factor, or inversely, UNHEALTHY lungs are the risk factor.

Older, smoker, or other health conditions....


Now we just need to make sure the kids do not become a VECTOR.... Might not want the kids visiting Grandma at the nursing home. The lack of test kits make it difficult to know if they are NOT infected, or infected, but with no symptoms....

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