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#294723 - 01/28/20 02:41 AM Burned a vehicle to stay warm
dougwalkabout Offline
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This is a Yukon story. In desperation, stranded travellers torched their vehicle to survive. When it's -50C, strange things are indeed done ...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-vehicle-fire-rescue-cold-1.5434069


And here are the recommendations of a bush-wise elder on travelling in such conditions:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-road-trip-cold-tips-1.5431375

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#294725 - 01/28/20 03:43 AM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
chaosmagnet Online   content
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I like the second article a lot, but there’s no mention of communications. I’d likely have good radios in each vehicle as well.

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#294730 - 01/28/20 03:53 PM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
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That's true. Up there, satellite phones are probably the only realistic option. I'm not sure about VHF or HAM coverage.

I liked the second story as well. The old-timers know what they need when a vehicle conks out, so instead of an impending tragedy it's mostly a nuisance.

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#294731 - 01/28/20 05:54 PM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
Herman30 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
The old-timers know what they need when a vehicle conks out, so instead of an impending tragedy it's mostly a nuisance.


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They had everything they needed in their truck — cut wood, kindling and firestarter, and a chainsaw kept warm inside the vehicle.

Bolded part is most important, have dry wood that is easy to light and then get more fresh wood from forrest. Chainsaw is not a must, a handsaw works too and keeps the user warm while sawing.

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#294733 - 01/28/20 06:35 PM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
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When I travelled that route this summer, I am pretty sure there was no cell service in between Carmacks and Pelly Crossing; just service when you got close to the two towns. This is along the route from Whitehorse to Dawson City so there would be some traffic but at -50° most would have chosen not to drive on that day.

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#294735 - 01/28/20 07:40 PM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: Herman30]
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Originally Posted By: Herman30
[quote=dougwalkabout]
Bolded part is most important, have dry wood that is easy to light and then get more fresh wood from forrest. Chainsaw is not a must, a handsaw works too and keeps the user warm while sawing.


Yep, cutting wood by hand warms you twice; once when you work to saw it, and again when you burn it.
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#294739 - 01/29/20 12:51 AM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: Phaedrus]
dougwalkabout Offline
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Originally Posted By: Phaedrus
Originally Posted By: Herman30
[quote=dougwalkabout]
Bolded part is most important, have dry wood that is easy to light and then get more fresh wood from forrest. Chainsaw is not a must, a handsaw works too and keeps the user warm while sawing.


Yep, cutting wood by hand warms you twice; once when you work to saw it, and again when you burn it.


Maybe, but you need a lot of wood and you need it in a hurry. That kind of volume means taking larger trees. These folks don't mess around; they know better. Plenty of exercise splitting it.

And remember Les Stroud's advice for extreme cold: "You sweat, you die."

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#294740 - 01/29/20 01:10 AM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
Ren Offline
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Or a Siberian log fire and avoid splitting. Unless short on tinder and kindling to get the thing going.

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#294742 - 01/29/20 09:49 AM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
Herman30 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout


Maybe, but you need a lot of wood and you need it in a hurry.

Perhaps you missed that the old lady had wood in her car to make a fire with. You don´t need a whole lot for a fire to burn an hour or two. So there is plenty of time to get more from the woods. And no splitting is needed when you allready have a proper fire going.


Edited by Herman30 (01/29/20 09:50 AM)

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#294743 - 01/29/20 03:05 PM Re: Burned a vehicle to stay warm [Re: dougwalkabout]
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I have always been able to collect enough wood for a cheery blaze bare handed, even in snow. Long ago, I started carrying alternate fuels in wintry conditions. i suspect they would have done better to pile snow up around the vehicle, making an igloo of sorts.

I understand that then theinterior temp would stabilize at close to 32F.

Saws and hatchets, axes, etc. can be useful, indeed the best, for some tasks, but hardly a necessity for survival.
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