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#293728 - 10/07/19 02:32 PM Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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What is your biggest concern in an SHTF situation and what ideas do you have to combat it? It can be any SHTF situation. Pick your poison.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#293729 - 10/07/19 03:34 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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Registered: 05/23/08
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My main concern would be lawlessness and the risks of violent attack or robbery/looting.

MOST aspects of disasters can be planned for.
Food shortage=keep a supply, grow your own.
Water shortage=keep a reserve, rainwater capture, means of purifying.
Lack of vehicle fuel= keep a stock, learn to live with less, and perhaps none.
Lack of home heating fuel= Keep a stock, burn wood.

Preparing for lawlessness is more challenging. Keep firearms and carry same where lawful, but the other lot might be better armed, more numerous, or simply lucky.
Knives, sporting bats and the like certainly help, but again the other lot might be better equipped.

Potentially having to defend yourself is an "unknown unknown" To what extent, and against whom.

Another concern would be a situation that feels like TEOTWAWKI but from which TPTB DO recover and later prosecute one for murder, under conditions when killing in self defence felt justified AT THE TIME but which later looks like cold blooded murder.

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#293730 - 10/07/19 04:51 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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Registered: 11/09/06
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Loc: wellington, fl
My biggest concern in any generalized calamity is: how it will affect my community. I argue that the notion of solo survival in a genuine calamity is a delusion: MRE's and FAK's only get me so far. The real prep is forming and nurturing linkages within my family, my neighborhood, my church group. I can provide some of my needs, but will need the kindness of the group to survive and recover from a hurricane, a flood, or a tornado.

And the way that I nurture these relationships is to be there: attend the meetings, the family dinners, the worship services and mission trips. Help out physically when I can, offer aid and comfort when I cannot. As I get older, the need for connection gets clearer. I no longer harbor the fantasy that I can go it alone. It takes a village, or a clan, or a tribe.
That said, I still love my Leatherman (gave it to a grandson, need to replace), my blade (home made, cause my eyes are bigger than my wallet in the blade realm), and my centennial airweight (old guy, old gun). But that's love, not need.
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#293732 - 10/07/19 05:06 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: nursemike]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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I share your concern, Mike. That's part of the reason I belong to a gun club and attend every meeting unless there is a conflict in schedule.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#293743 - 10/07/19 09:44 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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My biggest concern is getting reliable information. Having been in several disasters, information, reliable information becomes the key to all other actions.

Understanding where (and how) to look requires planning, training and practice.
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#293745 - 10/07/19 10:36 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Phaedrus Offline
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Registered: 04/28/10
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Loc: Big Sky Country
I would say every concern is the biggest if we truly had a SHTF situation. Now, almost everyone faces SHTF at some point, be it a vehicle break down in a remote location, job loss at a bad time, hurricane/tornado/earthquake, etc. Very few situations in the US have ever turned into a long term, wide-scale SHTF condition, though. Certainly the Great Depression was one, and the Civil War was another. Short of that most bad situations were relatively limited to just parts of the country or were short in duration.

If we had a genuine SHTF/EOTWAWKI event? Honestly I think all bets are off. The food supply would be disrupted, there might be no water, no fuel, no communications or transportation systems working, no medical system or infrastructure, etc. Some of you might have read the works of Selco, a fellow who lived at ground zero of the Bosnian collapse of '92. The cities were encircled by battling militaries that prevented the delivery of food and supplies. The hospitals all collapsed, there was widespread murder and looting in the total absence of govt and law enforcement. He now teaches courses which could be interesting but maybe not useful. His lessons applied to his situation which will likely not be yours/ours. For instance, while stores were closed the US and NATO did airdrop millions of MREs over the course of the crisis. Certainly if the US collapsed there'd be no one dropping food to us. Also, his writings reveal that a lot of his survival came down to pure luck (although he never directly admits it).

It's pretty hard to answer without defining "SHTF". If we simply skip ahead to the worst, some unspecified yet utter collapse of Western civilization, then I say make peace with whatever force you worship. I don't anyone currently alive has ever experienced that before, and I can't imagine any preparations that would suffice. You could store years worth of food but how would you defend it for years? You could attempt to "bug out" to a remote location but where in North America could you hope to go that no one else could find or reach you? You could stockpile common (and even uncommon) drugs and medications but it's still a lottery; get cancer or have a heart attack and you simply will die. Get a bad injury and your odds are poor. The US military can use a small truckoad of supplies to stabilize a few soldiers, and they have somewhere to evac the wounded to. Where would you evac to? Can you do a heart transplant in your bunker? Do you need a perishable drug that can't be stockpiled (like insulin?).

I guess I'm not sure what the point is. Obviously any preps you do are good, especially in light of the fact that most emergencies are limited in scope and limited in duration. If there's a hurricane or tornado, or an earthquake, eventually the clouds will disperse and the ground will stop shaking. Recovery might take a long time but there will be resources or at least places to go to escape the effect.

But what can you do if everything collapses? I honestly have no idea. No matter how well you prepare it will likely come down to luck.
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#293746 - 10/07/19 11:36 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Phaedrus]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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You mentioned communications. That is among the top of my concerns. Someone might say, "get a ham radio." That only works if every person you need to talk to has a ham radio.

Originally Posted By: Phaedrus
It's pretty hard to answer without defining "SHTF".

Pick one. It could be an economic collapse, martial law or an earthquake of biblical proportions.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#293747 - 10/07/19 11:54 PM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Phaedrus Offline
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Registered: 04/28/10
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Loc: Big Sky Country
Removed.


Edited by chaosmagnet (10/08/19 01:03 AM)
Edit Reason: See below.
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#293748 - 10/08/19 12:18 AM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Phaedrus]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Phaedrus
If there's an earthquake where I live in Montana it probably means the planet is doomed! Nowhere to hide from that.

Given that you live in Montana, you don't need to worry about the direct effects of an earthquake.

Removed.

Originally Posted By: Phaedrus
Economic collapse...depends on how "collapsed" we're talking I suppose.

You can't buy anything with your money.

Jeanette Isabelle


Edited by chaosmagnet (10/08/19 01:03 AM)
Edit Reason: See below.
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#293749 - 10/08/19 01:02 AM Re: Biggest Concerns in an SHTF Situation [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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Discussion of “SHTF” can encompass a variety of widespread emergencies. For example, a disaster where utilities are out, first responders are completely saturated, economic disruption prevents one from purchasing goods and services, or all of the above.

Martial law in the United States has happened historically https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_the_United_States and cannot be ruled out entirely for the future, but martial law throughout the entire United States hasn’t happened since the Civil War. Since then martial law has encompassed an entire territory once during WWII, and otherwise has been of more limited geographic and temporal scope.

I bring up this history deliberately to frame the following: As it states in the rules, This is not a survivalist web site and such discussions are not appropriate. Hypotheticals included. Let me be very clear that “SHTF” discussions are welcome, and “TEOTWAWKI” discussions are not. Martial law declared throughout the USA is the latter.



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