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#293027 - 08/18/19 11:28 AM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Russ]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Russ
Something you may have considered is whether or not the backpak will be carried or is simply carry-able.

Carriable unless, for whatever the reason, we need to ditch the car and walk the rest of the distance.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#293028 - 08/18/19 11:55 AM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Just for starters, I would ditch the Chem lights and the hand warmers, as well as the silly AMK kit.

The things you listed are what's included in the Quick Pack Contents.

Perhaps I am not making myself clear. The purpose of this kit is to learn how to make survival kits.

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#293029 - 08/18/19 12:32 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Russ]
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I have been using recycled beverage bottles , along with Nalgenes and various other water containers, including some stainless steel types, for years. I have never had a G bottle fail, even with extensive use.

Nalgenes are definitely tougher, but if durability is a real issue, one should probably go to stainless steel. The optimum water container is probably a collapsible unit (Platypus or equivalent) which takes up minimum space when not filled. i have not had any failures of those, either.

Any of these water containers should be placed in a metal cup, capacity 8 to 12 oz, and carried in an exterior pocket. Go titanium if your budget allows, but stainless steel is perfectly good (and better for cooking).

Plastics are pervasive in our environment, and constitute a definite problem, but I don't think recycling bottles will affect the situation one wa or another. The percentage of fluids I ingestfrom recycled bottlesis insignificant.
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#293030 - 08/18/19 12:47 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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Originally Posted By: Jeanette_Isabelle


Perhaps I am not making myself clear. The purpose of this kit is to learn how to make survival kits.

Jeanette Isabelle


How is the purchase of a marginal, highly generalized bag of goodies going to teach anyone anything? Their web page, showing the contents, is a useful starting point for improvements and modifications to fit individual circumstances.

Here's a thought: What does one do if an emergency strikes and the handy dandy survival kit is not available (meteor strike, theft, whatever). It comes down to the ability to improvise and problem solve.
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#293031 - 08/18/19 12:49 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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FWIW, Maxpedition is having a 50% off Sale on the Riftcore and Falcon II. Those may be a bit small for your needs.


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#293032 - 08/18/19 12:50 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Phaedrus]
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If possible, could you give a reference to the article? Sounds like an interesting read.
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#293033 - 08/18/19 01:12 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: hikermor]
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Someone else has already figured it out for me.

Mom did build a car kit. And while I did make suggestions on what to include, Mom made the final decision on what and what not to include. The kit looks like it was built by someone with no experience, no consideration was given concerning space and weight and I am not thrilled with some of the components.

Originally Posted By: hikermor
Here's a thought: What does one do if an emergency strikes and the handy dandy survival kit is not available (meteor strike, theft, whatever). It comes down to the ability to improvise and problem solve.

Hopefully, by then I learned how to build a survival kit.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#293036 - 08/18/19 02:20 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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If you are building something to fit in a vehicle, space and weight are fairly minor considerations.

In any event, assembling a survival kit is an ongoing process, building on user experience and incorporating new items as they appear. I continually tweaked my SAR bag as time went on and got it to a pretty reasonable state. Then it was stolen, and I got to start all over again. But at least insurance covered most of the cost.

You can't just buy stuff, put it in a bag, and forget it. ideally you will have familiarity with items in your kit and know how they perform. An emergency is not the time to be reading the manual for the first time.
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#293038 - 08/18/19 02:50 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
If you are building something to fit in a vehicle, space and weight are fairly minor considerations.

If it were just for the car, weight is not an issue. Size may to some degree; not weight.

If we had to ditch the car weight then becomes an issue.

Originally Posted By: hikermor
In any event, assembling a survival kit is an ongoing process, building on user experience and incorporating new items as they appear. I continually tweaked my SAR bag as time went on and got it to a pretty reasonable state.

That is how my EDC bag came to be.

Originally Posted By: hikermor
You can't just buy stuff, put it in a bag, and forget it. Ideally, you will have familiarity with items in your kit and know how they perform. An emergency is not the time to be reading the manual for the first time.

I know. The point of the proposed kit is to have something I can learn.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#293040 - 08/18/19 04:25 PM Re: Echo-Sigma Backpacks [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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We are really talking past one another.

What you will learn by buying this kit is that you will have wasted your money. This assemblage lacks many critical items (map?compass?) and includes many that are ineffective (hand warmers and chem lights). Walk into any decent outdoor store, put on a blindfold, select at random, and you will do as well as this hodge podge.

The best way to test whatever you start with is to get out an use it. Start with day hies, lengthen them and get into overnight and longer backpacking trips. For post graduate work, volunteer with a SAR unit and get first hand experience with realemergencies.

End of rant, I will say no more...
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