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#292536 - 06/21/19 04:32 AM Re: Picacho Peak fatality [Re: Herman30]
Phaedrus Offline
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Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 2380
Loc: Big Sky Country
Originally Posted By: Herman30
289 pounds = 131kg. Oh my, explains a lot.


Originally Posted By: hikermor
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...ing/1289001001/

According to the autopsy, the sixteen year old victim weighed 289 pounds. Doubtless a contributing factor.


Yeah, unfortunately that's problematic unless he was six feet six inches. It's difficult to carry all that extra weight.
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#292580 - 06/25/19 08:13 AM Re: Picacho Peak fatality [Re: Phaedrus]
EMPnotImplyNuclear Offline
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Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 338
Originally Posted By: Phaedrus
Originally Posted By: Herman30
289 pounds = 131kg. Oh my, explains a lot.


Originally Posted By: hikermor
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...ing/1289001001/

According to the autopsy, the sixteen year old victim weighed 289 pounds. Doubtless a contributing factor.


Yeah, unfortunately that's problematic unless he was six feet six inches. It's difficult to carry all that extra weight.

Hi,
Maybe its difficult but its not deadly.

Ignorance is the most important factor.
I'm ignorant

Students , esp on
Junior Varsity Football Team ,
work out a lot in high school,
lifting weights,
team practice,
gym class...
but they dont learn a lot about dehydration

It took a 6 hours hike to overheat/dehydrate.
A few others also overheated.
All ran out of water
None had thermometers
None had checked everybody for overheating and dehydration
over the course of 6 hours (1-6 pee breaks?)
None had icepacks
...
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Knox2/publication/49686313_A_retrospective_analysis_of_American_football_hyperthermia_deaths_in_the_United_States/links/0046351f98156f4011
Quote:

Abstract Over the period 1980–2009, there were 58
documented hyperthermia deaths of American-style foot-
ball players in the United States. This study examines the
geography, timing, and meteorological conditions present
during the onset of hyperthermia, using the most complete
dataset available. Deaths are concentrated in the eastern
quadrant of the United States and are most common during
August. Over half the deaths occurred during morning
practices when high humidity levels were common. The
athletes were typically large (79% with a body mass index
>30) and mostly (86%) played linemen positions. Meteo-
rological conditions were atypically hot and humid by local
standards on most days with fatalities. Further, all deaths
occurred under conditions defined as high or extreme by
the American College of Sports Medicine using the wet
bulb globe temperature (WBGT), but under lower threat
levels using the heat index (HI). Football-specific thresh-
olds based on clothing (full football uniform, practice
uniform, or shorts) were also examined. The thresholds
matched well with data from athletes wearing practice
uniforms but poorly for those in shorts only. Too few cases
of athletes in full pads were available to draw any broad
conclusions. We recommend that coaches carefully monitor
players, particularly large linemen, early in the pre-season
on days with wet bulb globe temperatures that are
categorized as high or extreme. Also, as most of the deaths
were among young athletes, longer acclimatization periods
may be needed.

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#292583 - 06/26/19 02:50 AM Re: Picacho Peak fatality [Re: hikermor]
Phaedrus Offline
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Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 2380
Loc: Big Sky Country
Good point! Even professional athletes occasionally succumb. Years ago NFL All-Pro Corey Stringer died of heat stroke during training camp. You have to keep an eye on hydration for sure!
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#292743 - 07/10/19 05:17 PM Re: Picacho Peak fatality [Re: hikermor]
teacher Offline
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Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 792
"Normal" fits most people in some situations; what's normal water consumption for a small woman might be a third of what a big teenager needs. Plan accordingly

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