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#29046 - 07/16/04 04:56 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
bountyhunter Offline


Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Commache7:

Great post!

I wish I was that coherent, then Chris wouldn't have to keep shutting down some of the posts I go a little too far on.

I have one that I use which most of you on this forum seem too good hearted to use, but it works.

I ask the individual if they really feel the action I am taking seems so futile and unnecessary. If they say yes, I thank them and tell them they have saved me a lot of time as now I can eliminate any thought of helping them because they were not prepared for something that I was prepared for. Often times the look on the faces reflects the "Ah ha" moment of realization that they would not otherwise experience. Some of you may think this cruel or antisocial, but I find it is the safest way for the recepient of my discourse to realize just how quickly they can be all alone in a bad situation.

Bountyhunter

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#29047 - 07/17/04 03:01 AM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
Anonymous
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There is, of course, the issue of major catastrophe. For myself, I am more concerned with the daily potentials. I hike in the White mountains, commute over an hour each way each day through rural andurban areas, I do home repairs and auto repairs, live through snow storms that put out the power for weeks at a time with an electric well, Being prepared to deal with these things is a very similar thing to dealing with any survival situation of any scope. Most of these situations resolve themselves within a month or so. I learn to melt snow, make fire and water, grow, hunt and harvest food, mend and manufacture clothing and shelter not because I expect to be living beyond thunderdome but because I want to be a little better prepared to deal with life. If I happen to be one of the few who survive to live beyond thunderdome then I will be better prepared for that too. That is not a goal just a positive happenstance.

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#29048 - 07/17/04 02:11 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
Comanche7 Offline
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Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 436
Loc: Florida
Bountyhunter,

Thank you. I've enjoyed reading many of your postings and learned a bit from them.

In the context of using the right tool for the job at hand, your response line may very well be exactly the line of logic / reasoning needed to help clarify the issue for some of the un-prepared / un-concerned that question the value of being prepared.

Reflecting back, I can recall several instances where that line would have been extremely appropriate to use. Thanks for sharing it.

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#29049 - 07/19/04 11:14 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
Anonymous
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Bravo, Marty, very well said.

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#29050 - 07/19/04 11:46 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
Anonymous
Unregistered


I like your style, bounty, some time we've got to meet up so I can buy you a drink (booze or tea, your choice <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />).

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#29051 - 07/20/04 12:25 AM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
bountyhunter Offline


Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
wildfire163:

My writing style must be giving away too much of my psyche.

Most people would have offered booze or coffee. I am a tea drinker (Maximum 3 cups a day.) ever since I gave up coffee (About 16 big cups a day.) over 30? years ago.

I am still an addicted Pepsi freak, although I have cut back significantly. The marketing people at Pepsi actually helped me cut back when they went to a 24 ounce six pack and I just did not feel like drinking that much, so I quit buying it. If Pepsi reads this, someone in marketing is going to lose their job.

Bountyhunter



Edited by bountyhunter (07/20/04 12:27 AM)

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#29052 - 07/22/04 10:50 AM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
NY RAT Offline
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Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 256
Loc: brooklyn, ny
thanks for all the replies on this, it has helped me explain it better to those who dont yet beleive in being prepared (for whatever reason\ situation) as we do.

and that "ah-ha" moment is something indeed.

but i do understand what bountyhunter meant there, some people just WONT be prepared no matter what, some will learn to on their own some need a little nudge in the right places to help them understand and develop the proper mindset.

i didnt think it was cruel its jsut a fact of life, not all baby turtles make it to the ocean.

when relaying this to friends and family who dont prepare as i do it basically comes down to the ants and the grasshopper parable.

prepare now for what might happen later, even if there is now big e.o.t.w.a.w.k.i. event as my friend brought up.

because if your ever caught in an emergency or natural disaster or civil unrest,etc then to those unprepared people it might feel like the end of their world.

but i still keep trying to help the others become more interested in being prepared, im stubborn to quit yet. (im irish what do you expect?)
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#29053 - 07/22/04 06:04 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
bountyhunter Offline


Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
NY Rat:

The cruel and antisocial remark was not about the emergency that might arise, but my response to individuals that ridicule my beliefs and then expect me to help them in their hour of need.

Example:

An emergency arises.

Someone I don't know from Adam isn't prepared and has never considered being prepared winds up in an emergency situation. I am there also, I will help them as best I can.

Someone I don't know from Adam has expressed disdain for my mindset (to me or in general.) regarding various emergencies I try to prepare for finds themselves in such an emergency. I am there also and capable of helping them. I will not help them! If the lesson to them results in discomfort, damage, or their death, so be it. That is the part that may seem cruel or antisocial to many of you.

Now if the same person is someone I know and care about, it would be very hard to refuse helping them even if they have shown disdain for my positions and I hope to never have to be tested in my resolve by friends or strangers.

Bountyhunter

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#29054 - 07/22/04 07:38 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
paramedicpete Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
I have thought about what your philosophy is regarding helping those who ridicule you or intentionally make the conscious decision not to prepare for an emergency and as always it is your right to believe as you do.

I for one cannot adopt that philosophy. I know we (the forum)have discussed this issue before and my position remains unchanged. I feel a personal responsibility to help those in an emergency situation regardless of the reason, their lack of responsibility or even their view that I am foolish for being prepared. This philosophy is who I am; it is why I became an EMT almost 30 years ago and a Firefighter/Paramedic over 10 years ago. In my volunteer career (I was a part time paid FF for awhile, but it just was not right for me) I have been cursed at, spit on (and much worse), punched, kicked and threatened by people who could care less about my well-being or I will go out on a limb and say they most likely even hated me at the time. So why do so many others and I put themselves through that type of hell. I can only answer for myself, for me it is the right thing to do, I could not live any other way. Whether or not my assistance will change the person’s view or not, is irrelevant to me. While I would hope a light bulb inside these people would turn on, my action is not dependent upon that response.

This is in no way a slam or downing of your position. You have every right and maybe many reasons for adopting your philosophy. Pete

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#29055 - 07/22/04 09:45 PM Re: SURVIVAL - why do we do this?
Anonymous
Unregistered


Pete, the world would be a much better place if there were more people like you.


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