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#289524 - 06/21/18 11:17 AM Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30
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Drop Forged Survival had the good idea of listing gear we'll actually buy. If like me you'll spend ages debating with myself 'do I get the Big Agnes $500 sleeping bag or the Wiggies $400 one? When I'm completely broke :-)

https://youtu.be/mp4Eij-nzkQ

https://youtu.be/1KRYV5v_kIA

https://youtu.be/jnOQCfxGea8

https://youtu.be/ICT2dARol9Y

Here's another review (with a link) for the mora garberg killer (full tang, finger guard, quality leather sheath - half the price) in week 4:

https://youtu.be/btQxnxvfNlk

Nice to see Drop Forge will recommend something he doesn't get a kickback for. OK he's made no money on that one, but it means one can trust the rest of the reviews.

qjs


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#289529 - 06/21/18 02:15 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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You can go a long ways toward decent outdoor kit by simply repurposing common household items - matches in a water tight pill box, a square of plastic sheeting, etc. for very little outlay.

There comes a time when the best strategy is to simply bite the bullet and pay for a really good item. Choose wisely and it will serve you well for years and years.

Serving as a draftee in the military many years ago, I swallowed hard and spent a month's pay for a really good down sleeping bag ($100, 3 lb weight, used it in well below zero conditions). the next month I blew half a month's income on a Kelty frame pack - state of the art at the time. These are 1960 prices...

These items were waiting for me at the end of my military service, and served superbly for several years. Both were eventually pilfered. I am sure the Kelty would still be in occasional use, if I still had it.

Overall, the items were worth subsisting on nothing but Army chow for a month. I think there are three things well worth spending bib bucks on - bag (sleeping), backpack, and boots - the three B's. The rest can be improvised - open camp fire, repurposed tin cans, plastic sheeting, etc.

If you get into technical climbing and rope work, it is time to spend money again - a good rope, well cared for, is super critical.
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#289530 - 06/21/18 02:19 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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So, based on the title and content, I will ignore anything having to do with my house.

Just talking about outdoors, he really appears to ignore everything under 20.00.
i do not see Orange 55 gallon trash bags.
don't see hurricane whistles, Nalgene Bottles/Stainless Steel Bottles.

That being said, I was intrigued by the Epic Wipes and the Rainstick f20.

Anyone ever try the Rainstick f20?

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#289532 - 06/21/18 02:39 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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gotta comment on the Epic Wipes. I checked out several sites. I really like the size, but seriously, 2.50 per wipe? I am camping on a budget. a 70 pack of scentless baby wipes are 1.00. Now admittedly, I cannot use the leftover wipes as a wraparound dress without a sewing machine, but a ratio of 150:1 for the price? With a 70 pack of Babywipes in a 1 gallon ziplock bag, I get more washes, and a handy trash container for the leftovers.

If I leave them in my bags for a year and they dry out, I lost a dollar. (that why the ziplock, storage + keeps them from drying as fast)

They also make decent tinder when dry...

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#289533 - 06/21/18 02:39 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
You can go a long ways toward decent outdoor kit by simply repurposing common household items

I'm of the opinion to use, as much as possible, things you usually use anyhow. When even a small emergency happens, it is comforting to have what you are comfortable using.

Last year Mom bought a solar oven and had used it several times in the summer to avoid generating more heat with the regular oven. Cooking with the solar oven has become so familiar to her that she does not have to think twice in the event of a power loss.

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#289534 - 06/21/18 03:18 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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LCranston wrote:
> So, based on the title and content, I will ignore anything having to do with my house.
qjs: Why? It says 'Backpacking & Survival Gear'.

> Just talking about outdoors, he really appears to ignore
> everything under 20.00.
qjs: There are plenty of items under $20. I counted 7 in just the first week.

>i do not see Orange 55 gallon trash bags.
>don't see hurricane whistles, Nalgene Bottles/Stainless Steel Bottles.

qjs:
You expected him to review everything made that's under $30?
The Klean Kanteen 40oz Bottle in week 1 is a stainless steel bottle.

qjs


Edited by quick_joey_small (06/21/18 04:14 PM)

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#289536 - 06/21/18 03:24 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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hikermoor wrote:
> There comes a time when the best strategy is to simply bite
> the bullet and pay for a really good item. Choose wisely and
> it will serve you well for years and years.

Yep For the really important stuff; your 3 Bs: Bag, Backpack
and Boots (and I'd add waterproof) walking into a shop and ask them to bring you the most expensive item will usually get you the best choice, or very near to it. Damn!
For everything else great quality isn't necessary. An empty coke bottle is a perfectly good water bottle, an empty food tin can become a stove.....

qjs


Edited by quick_joey_small (06/21/18 04:15 PM)

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#289537 - 06/21/18 04:30 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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There are so many things that fit into this category, can you be more specific? Do you want to focus on supplies or durable gear? Do you mean the category that falls in between durable and expendable (like water bottles and such necessary gear)?

When you say "must have" implies to me that you are basing this on the survival priorities of shelter, water, signal, fire.

I would begin with a poncho. There is a wide range of quality and price, but a lightly used military surplus one will usually run about $20 (US) and last a very long time. It can be used as waterproof/windproof outerwear or as a shelter.

Next, you need the ability to store and carry water. There are many good water bottles out there, but I prefer the single walled stainless steel. These may tip the scales on the more costly end, however. Single wall stainless can be used in a fire to purify, will prevent solar radiation from making your water too hot to drink, and is durable.

A nesting cup, that your water bottle fits into, can make procuring and purifying water much easier, and cooking as well. They weigh little, take up almost no space and are very durable. The stainless steel ones are usually less than $20, though titanium may run over $30.

All of the best fire starting methods will be under $30: lighter, UCO stormproof matches, cotton balls, petroleum jelly, most ferrocerrium rods, and my favorite striker for the ferrocerrium rod, a cut down hacksaw blade. Even the Blastmatch, and its little brother the Sparky, are less than $30.

Almost every whistle and signal mirror cost under $30. There are some emergency strobe lights than are under $30, but the best will run over that price. Any brightly colored material (though we have discussed the advantages of orange and blue) with a large surface area can serve as a signal panel. The ubiquitous blue tarp will work well and make your shelter, for under $30.

The orange survival bag: Orange survival bag

or: Smaller orange survival bag

is inexpensive and works for signaling as well. Any of the emergency or space blankets will cost less than $30.

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#289538 - 06/21/18 05:01 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Montanero wrote:
> There are so many things that fit into this category, can you be more specific? Do you want to focus on supplies or durable gear? Do you mean the category that falls in between durable and expendable (like water bottles and such necessary gear)?

qjs: none of the above. I just pasted the commonest name Drop Forged Survival used for these videos. I have nothing to do with the content. Address queries to him please.

Found another video of his on the same topic that's not numbered by the week:

https://youtu.be/mp4Eij-nzkQ

qjs


Edited by quick_joey_small (06/21/18 05:02 PM)

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#289545 - 06/21/18 09:57 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Watched the first part of the video, where the packet was thrown into a pool of water, absorbed fluid and which was then strained and consumed. I can only say that on numerous occasions (in remote settings only, not near civilization)I have drunk directly from much worse appearing ponds that that with no subsequent ill after effects what ever - my strategy being that bad stuff in that water might affect me after a week or so, but by then I will be back in town if I hydrate now. There were Arizona arid conditions and I was quite dehydrated.

It is always a good idea to drink water that is non-toxic, but if push comes to shove and you can't disinfect for some reason, drink up. First things first...
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#289548 - 06/22/18 01:31 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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If you do not drink, you will die of heat or dehydration before the biologicals kick in (in most cases). If yo have the time and resources, purify!

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#289551 - 06/22/18 07:21 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I mentioned in the originating thread:

> Here's another review (with a link) for the mora garberg killer
> (full tang, finger guard, quality leather sheath - half the price) in week > 4:

> https://youtu.be/btQxnxvfNlk

The leather sheath certainly looks a beautiful piece of work. But is there any real advantage over man made materials?

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Edited by quick_joey_small (06/22/18 10:57 AM)

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#289555 - 06/22/18 01:34 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: Montanero]
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Definitely agree on purification. As an aside, I understand that WWII was the first conflict in American history in which deaths sustained on the battlefield exceeded those from disease. Probably had something to do with impure sources of water.....

My preferred drink outdoors is tea, which helps with purification of water.
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#289556 - 06/22/18 01:49 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Hey, the ancient Egyptians used beer as a strategic weapon. Beers requires boiling the water, and the Egyptian army drank mostly beer while on campaign. Other armies drank local water, and got sick. So the Egyptians could field a larger force than their enemies could.

I watched the videos. Up front I will say that any material, supplies or tools are better than having nothing, so everything they show has some value. There are some items I would not choose, others that I swear by. They do seem to have a large number of "most recommended" items, I think they should pare it down a bit and prioritize between "most recommended" and "others that we recommend".

There were some that I had never seen before, and I may try some of them out. I would like to find a good chemical lab to help me test the water purification methods, along with all of the other ones I already have. That straw, the "Sidekick", advertises some significant capabilities for such a small device. If it actually works it would be a very excellent addition to any kit, if it actually works.

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#289558 - 06/22/18 02:18 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: Montanero]
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Is it too late to signup for the Egyptian army?

Actually, during the brief period I was in service, it seems in retrospect that our military adopted the same tactic. I remember walking into the first into my first service club in Korea, noting immediately that Heineken was priced cheaper than the domestic brands, and thinking, "This might not be so bad, after all.."
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#289559 - 06/22/18 02:31 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I thought did serve under the Pharaohs. Or was it Alexander? Or Caesar?

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#289560 - 06/22/18 03:05 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: Montanero]
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Actually, I first served for Oog The Magnificent, back when stone weapons were the cutting edge.They cost well under$30.

Oog never made the history books....
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#289562 - 06/22/18 04:50 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Montanero wrote:
> I would like to find a good chemical lab to help me test the water purification methods, along with all of the other ones I already have. That straw, the "Sidekick", advertises some significant capabilities for such a small device. If it
actually works it would be a very excellent addition to any
> kit, if it actually works.

Chris Townsends 'Backpackers Handbook' (terrific book) references several studies and his (and theirs) conclusion is that 'it is far more important to wash your hands thoroughly and keep your pans clean than to treat your water'. 'Most backcountry water is safe and you are very unlikely to catch anything from drinking it untreated'.
That's in North America and Europe.
In the third world it's a different story. Where, don't forget, filters are not purifiers, so they don't remove the most dangerous threat; viruses. Even iodine won't remove Cryptosporidium. The reviews I've read never mention this and talk about filters and purifiers without mentioning the difference.
And chemical pollution is a different story again...

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#289571 - 06/23/18 05:27 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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My Clark Kent comments on the gear in the video without a week number (the summary):
Some of those items are camping not survival gear, but since you put 'survival' in the video title here's a few comments:
Doug Ritter won't even review axes. Too dangerous if you are not used to them. Especially in a survival situation where you are possibly tired and injured and have no way of calling an ambulance. The machetes or kukris you recommend in other videos, are even more dangerous. The handle is a blade.
Magnesium scrapings will blow away in a breeze.
A cap is the worst place to keep anything valuable. It's usually the only item of clothing that can be blown away, snatched, or simply fall off.
A lantern that can only be rechared with a USB? A lot of survival situations you won't still have power.
Why use firestarters that have to be split and made into feather sticks? In a survival situation you want everything made easy in advance. You might have only one hand. Which brings me to:
Having broken my wrist last year I found:
A lot of gear can't be used one handed (good idea to practice). So ditch the ferro rods and use a one handed sparker. I had a great idea: if a flint and steel were attached to a gas tank, you would have a sparker that could also produce a flame when wanted. I'm sure it could be produced very cheaply. I've even thought of a name for it: 'the lighter'.
You wisely (8:21), screwed the stormproof match container on tightly. With only one hand they'll still have the cap screwed on tightly when they find your body. One solution is tie them in a plastic bag you can simply tear open with your teeth.

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#289572 - 06/23/18 05:33 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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hikermor wrote:
> Actually, I first served for Oog The Magnificent, back when
> stone weapons were the cutting edge.


They still are:
'Good quality obsidian fractures down to single molecules which can produce a cutting edge 500 times sharper than the sharpest steel scalpel blade ("American Medical News", Nov. 2, 1984:21).'

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#289573 - 06/23/18 05:39 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Montanero wrote:
> I would like to find a good chemical lab to help me test the
> water purification methods, along with all of the other ones > I already have.

You don't need to. In our ligatious world anyone selling a purifier that doesn't do as advertised, is heading for financial ruin.
But though it may do everything it claims, that might not be enough. They'll truthfully list all the things they remove.
But what about what they don't list?
As I commented earlier; filters aren't purifiers they won't remove viruses. Even idone won't remove Cryptosporidium. Not sure if there are any filters that remove chemicals.

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#289576 - 06/23/18 10:08 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I absolutely wouldn't buy a no-name Chinese water filter. It's all good and well to rely on your estate to bring a lawsuit against an American company but for something drop - shipped from Alibaba you may have few legal remedies. I'll pony up the $15-20 for a real Life Straw or Sawyer Mini.
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#289577 - 06/23/18 10:11 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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You DO need to test these claims. Nobody will bring any legal action unless someone uses it and gets sick. I would like to know before it is used how well it actually works.

There are some filters that claim to remove viruses, but they are rare. This filter does claim to remove some chemicals, and there are others.

You actually believe that every company will be truthful about their claims?

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#289579 - 06/23/18 01:13 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: Montanero]
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I really don't want to heat up this discussion, but boiling the water takes care conclusively of all the biologicals...
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#289592 - 06/23/18 07:49 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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It is difficult to carry a pot, or even a metal cup, in a pocket size survival kit. If I have any sort of pack or bag I do carry one. There is also the issue of chemicals and heavy metals. In the area where I live, unless you get up into the mountain, you are risking farm and industrial waste in any ground water. Something small that can get you through far enough to help or improved water purification capabilities would be a good thing. Something small is more likely to be on you and for you to have it when you end up in a survival situation. Not all survival situation happen in remote and pristine wilderness.

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#289596 - 06/23/18 08:27 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: Montanero]
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Originally Posted By: Montanero
It is difficult to carry a pot, or even a metal cup, in a pocket size survival kit. ..... Not all survival situation happen in remote and pristine wilderness.


+1 on the pot difficulty, although,learning in hot, arid Arizzona,I soon vowed never to leave the car without a canteen. It is much easier to find a cup that will nest with canteens or water bottles. my fav is a 12 oz metal cup nesting at the bottom of a nalgene or sports drink container -light, versatile, and cheap!!

My most extensive experience with non-pristine water occurred at Canyon de Chelly National Monument (AZ). During one season of a long term project, we could not drive up the canyon to the dig because of exceptionally high water, and had to commute by an aboriginal side trail(a story in itself) and stay at the site for two to three days at a time.

That meant we drank the local stream water which was "too thin to plow and too thick to drink." CdeC Natl Mon is somewhat unusual in the NPS system in that the NPS controls only "objects of antiquity and of scientific interest." The Monument is also part of the Navajo Reservation, a habitat for thriving farmsteads and herds of sheep, which were both common upstream.

We would scoop up a gallon or so of stream water, let it sit for at least a day (until it was visually clear), decant and boil the fluid, and drink heartily. We did this for a month until the stream abated, and we could resume our normal commute....



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#289611 - 06/23/18 11:40 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Thinking outside the box on this one...
Knowledge - take the $30 and go to a CPR/AED/1stAid class or something else like that. I've got an REI store in town and they run lots of short workshops and classes on stuff like exploring the local trails. bike maintenance, and other stuff all on the cheap.

Paul -

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#289620 - 06/24/18 01:29 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I have spent much time in remote areas in various parts of the world, and I have seen large areas with no clean water at all. I have seen "pristine" looking water in high mountains give serious gastrointestinal problems, resulting in very severe dehydration. Every tool you can obtain is an advance in the right direction.

Settling, or decanting as you call it, straining, filtering, chemical purification and boiling are all useful, and better in combination, if you have the time and resources.

I have also spent much time in deep jungle where I strained the water through a t-shirt and used iodine tablets, and had nothing wrong with me.

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#289621 - 06/24/18 01:47 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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The worst survival ordeal that I've had to endure was eating fried liver at a dinner where I didn't want to appear rude, by gagging and retching. So I don't speak from much "experience" in such things.

But with $30 to prep for survival, I'd want a knife, fire making, and water purification first. Right even with that I'd want some way of signaling. Obviously I'm thinking more of outdoorsy survival than urban survival.

For $30, I should be able to get a Mora, a Bic lighter, some iodine tablets (or even cheaper a bottle of liquid iodine), and a whistle. I might even be able to substitute one of those mini purifiers - a Sawyer straw perhaps - for the iodine and still slide in under $30. I know this thread was more about "inexpensive survival items" than "everything you can get for under $30 total", but still, I would lean towards the Mora, Sawyer filter, Bic lighter, etc. as highly recommended items for under $30 (each).

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#289629 - 06/24/18 07:05 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: pforeman]
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Originally Posted By: pforeman
Thinking outside the box on this one...
Knowledge - take the $30 and go to a CPR/AED/1stAid class or something else like that. I've got an REI store in town and they run lots of short workshops and classes on stuff like exploring the local trails. bike maintenance, and other stuff all on the cheap.

Paul -


You are absolutely correct on this, but I believe that the Red Cross First aid class generally costs more than - by all means do the Advanced level; Basic FA is, well, too basic... Unfortunately, any class designated "wilderness is just code for "expensive," but worth it if you anticipate significant time in the woods. Employers will often pay for this training.

Training is much more important than bright and shiny gear, esp. in FA.
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#289773 - 07/06/18 08:37 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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The B.O.S.S kits:

Their firestarting kits have magnesium in little capsules. Is this the problem to using magnesium? Simply light it while still in the capsule and it won't blow away as scrapings from a block will.
Though I've never understood why magnesium isn't sold in little blocks for this. Do only the scrapings ignite?

qjs


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#289775 - 07/06/18 12:54 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Originally Posted By: quick_joey_small
The B.O.S.S kits:

Their firestarting kits have magnesium in little capsules. Is this the problem to using magnesium? Simply light it while still in the capsule and it won't blow away as scrapings from a block will.
Though I've never understood why magnesium isn't sold in little blocks for this. Do only the scrapings ignite?

qjs


They do: https://www.rei.com/product/115907/ultimate-survival-technologies-magbar-fire-starter

This particular product,also available from other retailers, gets low marks because the included striker bar often comes off. I have a few back in the depths of my gear closet, but i usually have better alternatives.

Practically speaking, if the mag shavings you produce blow away in the wind, you know you are building a fire in the wrong place. You want calm, sheltered conditions for fire starting...
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#289778 - 07/06/18 01:26 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I thought of this thread when I received my latest goodie - the cost came to $29.94, with postage.

This is a Fenix HL10 headlamp - three variable light levels, AAA battery, and good build quality. The light can be detached from the very light headband and will serve as a keychain light, replacing a light that is beginning to be unreliable.

The light is not enormously bright, but it will serve quite well for following a trail at night (for a short time, until the battery is exhausted...)
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#289781 - 07/06/18 05:39 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
Montanero Offline
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Let me know how good the Fenix HL10 is. I have the HL50, and I love it, but it is over $30.

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#289785 - 07/06/18 08:16 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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The HL50 looks like an excellent primary headlamp, with the new virtually standard variable light levels, and plenty of lumens at the top end. I bought the hL10 primarily as a key chain ight, an essential part of my EDC, but it is nice that it can function as a headlamp, if necessary. I usually carry a headlamp on outdoor excursions, but more than one is not a bad idea. When caving, I adhere to the doctrine of at least three independent sources of light and that is not a bad idea for any outdoor trip, except possibly for Alaska right now.

I note that the HL50 weighs 0.6 of an ounce more than the HL-10. Can you handle that burden?

Actually, I bought the HL10 because the light blue head band complements my eye color perfectly. After all, we mustn't forget that we are civilized...
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#289787 - 07/06/18 09:44 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: hikermor]
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Registered: 06/02/06
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I kinda like the Fenix HL23. Single AA NiMH or alkaline with more output than a headlamp needs. I’ve always used headlamps for close-in work where too many lumens is an issue. AA battery gives more time and output in mid & high and a slightly lower low. ~$35 so that’s above the $30 cut-off.

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#289788 - 07/07/18 12:23 AM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Registered: 11/13/06
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Loc: Ocala, FL
I mentioned this before; I believe this is worth mentioning again in this thread. At $25 the following kit offers the best bang for the buck.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/first-aid-kit-351-pieces/prod20200504.ip?xid=plp_product_1_28

For most of the items in the kit, the quality is good. The exception to that is the sterile strips. The kit also includes butterfly bandages. They work. Or you can add your preferred sterile strips. The kit's biggest disadvantage is its bulky size.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Sam's Club or TRI, the manufacturer of this kit.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#289829 - 07/09/18 10:51 PM Re: Most Recommended Must Have Survival Gear under $30 [Re: quick_joey_small]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Love the HL50 -- great performance, well-spaced output levels, takes either a CR123A or a AA, and perhaps most importantly MY WIFE ACTUALLY USES IT. In fact, it's proven to be totally wife-and-recombinant-DNA-proof, so far.

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