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#288930 - 05/10/18 04:05 PM stuff you don't see in EDC...
TeacherRO Offline
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I'm often surprised by what I don't see in people's kits:
- cash
- Sunglasses
- spare key
- extra contacts/ solution
- pen
- ibuprofen
- spare cell charger/ battery
- water bottle

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#288931 - 05/10/18 04:54 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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People's situations, needs, and perceptions are different. i don't carry spare contacts because I wear glasses (my spare glasses are in my vehicle because I must wear glasses to drive legally).

I always carry a canteen when hiking but not whenrunning errands around town.

At one point in my life, when working in Canyon de Chelly (NE Arizona), my EDC included at a minimum sixty feet of 9mm climbing rope - for some projects this was upscaled to 600 feet of 11mm cord. But I always had the minimum....and there were times I was very glad I did.

EDC is a very individual thing...
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#288935 - 05/10/18 11:11 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
- spare key

Why do I need two keys?

Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
- extra contacts/ solution

I wear glasses, not contacts.

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#288936 - 05/10/18 11:41 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Gloves! Some sort of abrasion resistant hand protection. This magnifies your strength many times over. Leather still wins, even if it's a thin sport or driving glove.

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#288937 - 05/10/18 11:48 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: dougwalkabout]
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
Gloves! Some sort of abrasion resistant hand protection. This magnifies your strength many times over. Leather still wins, even if it's a thin sport or driving glove.

I EDC based on my experiences. Based on my experiences, I don't need to EDC gloves.

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#288938 - 05/11/18 12:46 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: dougwalkabout]
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Totally agree on leather gloves in survival kits, not sure they’re required for EDC. I just happen to have both leather work-gloves and fingerless leather climbing gloves in my large-ish truck kit and if I’m going anywhere cold (be it northern latitudes or higher elevations) there will be gloves suitable for the temps. Just not sure they’re required for EDC.

Jeanette - following a hurricane in your neck of the woods, a good pair of work gloves would probably help in clean-up. You don’t want all the broken stuff (shards of glass, splinters of wood et al) causing you to break out one of your FAK’s... Just a thought. Again, probably not required for EDC.

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#288939 - 05/11/18 07:40 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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- cash
I carry several $20's, but I never use them. The ones currently in my wallet have been there for several years. I guess I might need them some day.

- Sunglasses
I always have these. Some people are more sensitive to sunlight than others though. For many years, I never used, or needed sunglasses. That changed as I got older.

- spare key
A key to what? The only time I carry a spare is on a vacation. The driver has one car key. The alternate driver has the other. Never does the same person have both keys. Other than that, my spare keys are stored in the "spare key cabinet" at home.

- extra contacts/ solution
If I wore contacts, my "spare" would be my glasses. I can imagine many things that could happen (e.g., sand blown into your eyes) where you'd probably rather take out your contacts and use glasses instead.

- pen
If I need to make note of something, usually I take a picture with my cellphone or tablet. I can also enter notes directly into either of those if need be. The batteries could die, but in many decades of life I've just never had any emergency need to take a note.

- ibuprofen
Might be important if you routinely have headaches or something. Luckily, I use stuff like this rarely, and would just stop at a store and buy some if I needed it. Or do without.

- spare cell charger/ battery
If you're in an urban area, everybody and his brother will have a cell phone you could borrow to make an emergency call. If you're in the middle of nowhere, you probably don't have cell service anyway. I carry a cell phone that is fully charged in the morning when I leave home. The battery typically lasts for several days for me f I don't charge it.

- water bottle
I usually have water with me. More for convenience than for emergencies.

Hiking and traveling into remote areas is one thing, but for the EDC that this thread is about, I don't worry too much about carrying extra stuff for emergencies. My EDC tends to be more convenience stuff. I have extra stuff in the car, but I don't actually carry that and don't consider it EDC. It's available quickly most of the time, but not necessarily immediately.

I EDC a folding knife and small flashlight because I use these literally several times each day. Also a firearm - not because I expect to use it, but because there is no substitute and zero allowable delay if I do need it. You might also consider my mug of coffee to be EDC too, since you never see me without it!

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#288940 - 05/11/18 12:01 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Are there such a thing as thorn proof gloves?
How are you going to get into your home to reach the spare key cabinet if you lose your house key?
My 2017-2018 academic diary is falling to bits. Anyone know ones that last?

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#288941 - 05/11/18 02:54 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Originally Posted By: quick_joey_small
Are there such a thing as thorn proof gloves?


Depends on the thorn. I have seen mesquite thorns puncture truck tires - muy fuerte!!!

I like a pair of thin gloves for "normal" extensive handling, and a pair of sturdy leather gloves for tougher stuff, and then there should be pairs of nitrile gloves for first aid/contaminate situations.

Gloves can be really useful at times.
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#288943 - 05/11/18 03:20 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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If you injure your hands badly enough, you can't use them. Gloves go a long way to protecting your hands from injury.

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#288944 - 05/11/18 03:33 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: gonewiththewind]
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...and if you injure your hands anyway, gloves can help keep the band-aids in place while you press on.

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#288945 - 05/11/18 05:22 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: Russ]
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I would just add a vote for fingerless gloves, either belay or biking. They provide protection while not hindering desterity, and very compact and lightweight.
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#288946 - 05/11/18 05:49 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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They will not prevent all injuries, but protect in normal work circumstances where injuries can occur that could make you lose the use of the hand.

Things that you must protect if you are in a survival situation:

Eyes

Feet

Hands

Even if the injury is not life threatening in itself, if it limits your ability to perform the functions necessary for survival, it becomes a life threatening injury. Even if you wear contacts, you might seriously consider carrying glasses as a back-up for their protective qualities.

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#288950 - 05/12/18 11:52 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: gonewiththewind]
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I would agree with your choices, but in many situations I would add protective head gear, usually something better than the typical construction hard hat, especially when climbing, caving, or cycling.
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#288952 - 05/13/18 12:09 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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When going to that type of environment, or participating in those activities, absolutely.

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#288958 - 05/13/18 06:13 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: gonewiththewind]
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Come to think of it, in dusty environments, some sort of mask or respirator (N95 or better) is a jolly good idea. Effects of dust aren't immediate, but they can be profound....
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#288979 - 05/15/18 12:06 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Came across Inversion Air Pollution Gaiters the other day. Essentially buffs with filters.

The Kickstarter from last year..

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1943319285/inversion-air-pollution-gaiter-20-protect-your-lun

Think they're generally available now.

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#289042 - 05/19/18 09:39 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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I was thinking earlier about what Jeanette Isabelle talked about in watching wight in your EDC... I mentioned several items I carry all the time but didn't even think of Montanero's point about eyes, feet & hands. I usually am in 'high top' boots, wear glasses but can function well without them except for reading and always have gloves at hand (ok, pun intended). With that, I just didn't think of it.

The upshot is: Think through the classic who, what, where, when, why & how to give yourself a clear picture of the stuff you carry or think you should have. I'm saying to really, really think about it, customize it, work with it, and be realistic. The more (keep quality and reality in mind) multi-function elements you have can be good but don't go with only that. It's like the old saw about having a side arm to fight you way to your rifle so you can fight you way to the crew serviced weapon/vehicle.

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#289064 - 05/22/18 12:42 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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How about the EDC bag/kit itself? Where do people have theirs? Be honest.
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#289065 - 05/22/18 03:15 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: ireckon]
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My actual EDC, for normal around town, is carried in my pockets - a keyring w/ small MT, light, peanut lighter, keys (!), spare cash, a wallet w/ usual plus band aids, a bandanna in rear hip pocket, and cell phone.

If going on a hike or project, the above plus a small backpack w/water, chow, ten essentials. Longer trips,bigger pack and overnight gear. Some trips include climbing/caving gear plus whatever might be appropriate.
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#289066 - 05/22/18 03:48 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Originally Posted By: quick_joey_small
How are you going to get into your home to reach the spare key cabinet if you lose your house key?

I have pushbutton digital locks. The batteries in those things last for years and years. And even if a battery dies without warning (they have indicators for low battery), all the batteries in all the locks on different doors aren't going to go bad at the exact same time.

I wish I had bought digital locks a long time before I actually did. They are great. But you have to get good ones. When you enter the combination on a good one, that allows a normal mechanical deadbolt to be operated. One the cheap ones, you enter the combo and a little cheap battery powered motor turns little cheap plastic gears, to draw the little cheap deadbolt out of the little cheap striker plate for you. These cheapies are not secure at all. You can pay a ton of money for some of them that allow you to unlock them remotely. Not for me. The last thing I want is some fool screaming into my window, "Alexa, unlock the front door" and being successful at it.

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#289083 - 05/23/18 07:04 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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I'm also surprised how few carry a jacket or umbrella.

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#289962 - 07/18/18 07:01 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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I knew on guy who carried a full 1 qt Naglene bottle...in school.

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#289977 - 07/19/18 06:42 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
I knew on guy who carried a full 1 qt Naglene bottle...in school.


I maybe missing your point, and I am a confessed chronic over-packer, but that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Heck, your guy could be a germaphobe, for whom 32 oz is barely enough for a perfect day.

Different bottle options are out there that could save weight, but Nalgenes are pretty bomb-proof and long-lasting. I might even suggest a metal bottle for potential boiling....

Question: If I went hiking with less than a quart would I be foolish? Consider that it's been 100F and above around here this month. I carried three 32oz bottles on my adventure to the zoo with my kids yesterday. There are sinks and water fountains all over the place there, just like in other public spaces like schools. That doesn't mean I want to keep stopping to refill.

My teenager certainly doesn't have time in his school day for that. He's commuting to Summer school, on the other side of the city, on his bike. It's almost 10 miles each way. Here's a few things we've considered:

*It's a long hot ride and there's no A/C at school. I want him carrying water with him on his commute as well as in class. 32 ozs is a reasonable amount for a full day. In the event that he forgets or can't to refill it during the day or before he heads home, he should be well hydrated with that amount.

*Ever seen an "Out of Order" sign on a water fountain or bathroom? Ever had the water shut-off thanks to an unexpected water main break?

*What if there's a fire alarm, bomb threat, lock-down, etc... and refilling isn't an option?

*What if he has some sort of an accident on the way to or from school and gets stuck in a ditch or raine for a while?

*What if he comes upon someone who's suffering from dehydration or heat related illness?

Water is just such a basic necessity that I think 32 is a good amount for a regular work or school day. He can use that 1 quart of water to drink, soak a bandana to wrap around his neck, wash wounds, re-hydrate a friend, etc....
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#289979 - 07/19/18 07:33 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: bacpacjac]
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s 32 oz adequate? It depends entirely upon the environment. In the American desert southwest right now, 32oz is inadequate, unless you end before 9AM and have potable water immediately handy. On the California Channel islands, 32 oz is good for an entire day of hiking and some will probably not be consumed.

Variable include body size, water content of any food consumed, and quantity of skin exposed. i like to pay attention to electrolytes, as well.

It is far better to carry too much, rather than too little. Three guesses as to how I learned that.
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#290109 - 07/30/18 10:23 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
I'm often surprised by what I don't see in people's kits:
- cash
- Sunglasses
- spare key
- extra contacts/ solution
- pen
- ibuprofen
- spare cell charger/ battery
- water bottle


My EDC kit lives in my handbag, so I always have cash, sunglasses, reading glasses, and spare phone charger and battery. I'm usually carrying a 1 L Nalgene with a human gear capcap, filled with iced tea.

I don't have spare keys. I don't wear regular eyeglasses or contacts.

My EDC kit does include a Fisher Bullet Space Pen, 500 mg acetaminophen tabs, 200 mg ibuprofen tabs (take 500 mg acetaminophen and 200 mg ibuprofen together), 25 mg diphenhydramine tabs.

And I always keep a compact umbrella in my handbag, which makes a good parasol on sunny days, since I like sleeveless dresses but hate sunscreen.


Edited by amper (07/30/18 10:28 PM)
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#290110 - 07/30/18 10:27 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: gonewiththewind]
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Originally Posted By: Montanero
They will not prevent all injuries, but protect in normal work circumstances where injuries can occur that could make you lose the use of the hand.

Things that you must protect if you are in a survival situation:

Eyes

Feet

Hands

Even if the injury is not life threatening in itself, if it limits your ability to perform the functions necessary for survival, it becomes a life threatening injury. Even if you wear contacts, you might seriously consider carrying glasses as a back-up for their protective qualities.


In my truck, I always have a set of safety sunglasses and a pair of leather work gloves.
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#290258 - 08/18/18 06:04 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: haertig]
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Originally Posted By: haertig
- pen
If I need to make note of something, usually I take a picture with my cellphone or tablet. I can also enter notes directly into either of those if need be. The batteries could die, but in many decades of life I've just never had any emergency need to take a note.


I don't think a pen is a terrible idea given the space and weight that a single refill for a Fisher Space Pen takes up. A golf pencil would work as well and you can sharpen it with your knife.

You will probably have something else in your kit that you could write on, but it's a bonus if you have some waterproof paper (like Field Notes products).

I keep these with my hiking equipment mostly in case I need to leave a note for people who might be searching for me if I can't stay put for some reason (e.g. stuck to a tent flap: "SOS 08/14/18 14:32 John Doe headed SE along rim trail in search of water. Out of food/water, broken wrist, phone dead, tan pants, blue shirt, red backpack, white male 5'11" 160 lbs, brown hair/eyes, call Fred Doe (father) at XXX-XXX-XXXX").

It could also be useful to to leave a note under a windshield wiper at the trailhead for overdue hikers, etc. Or, even if you're not lost, to let your campmates know that you are backtracking the route to find a dropped headlamp and will be back in < 1 hour.

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#290261 - 08/18/18 12:42 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: Katie]
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A ball point pen will write reliably on your bare skin. I do this often with numerical data when my notebook isn't handy. And paper is good to have, at least in outdoor environments - leave messages or a component in starting fires. If you are really desperate for paper, shave off the margin of your paper map.
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#290263 - 08/18/18 06:56 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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I often tuck a few business cards in packs, luggage, laptop bags, fanny packs -- so a lost and returned item can find its way home.

But from an EDC standpoint -- they are also perfect for leaving notes in the parking lot ... or in the bush.

BTW, I'm amazed at how black Bic stick pens hold up in packs etc. Other colours dry out, but black just keeps going.


Edited by dougwalkabout (08/18/18 06:58 PM)

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#290280 - 08/19/18 09:40 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
A ball point pen will write reliably on your bare skin.

Triggered a thought: I keep a grease pencil/china marker in the truck, to scribble reminders on the inside of my windshield--not EDC, but a useful, kinda heads-up display...
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#290284 - 08/20/18 02:53 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
I'm often surprised by what I don't see in people's kits:
- cash
- Sunglasses
- spare key
- extra contacts/ solution
- pen
- ibuprofen
- spare cell charger/ battery
- water bottle


Got it all covered.
I carry upwards of $200 cash all the time and spare credit cards; not sure what you consider extra. I had an extra $50 in the car until I needed it so now I need to replace it.
Sunglasses fit in one of my many pockets in my left VOMP.
Spare key - I used to carry a spare set in my last backpack; and then the pack was stolen so...
I carry readers on my person at all times.
I have a pen & pencil in my VOMP.
I have painkillers in my EDC FAC, desk and at home.
I've got chargers all over the place (house, car, work and pack).
I've got water bottles/containers all over the place but only a collapsible container in my pack.
I usually carry a pair of leather gloves as well in a side pocket of the pack but I want to store some latex gloves in the pack as well (someone gave me a box of them, otherwise I would have chosen nitrile).
I typically have my rain jacket in the pack and I will be including my 2GoSystems Trifecta bivy as well.

Like I said, I have the EDC covered except when the unknown happened and my pack was stolen along with $1200 of gear. I've managed to replace everything except the spare car key; Ford wants an arm and a leg for that.

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#290287 - 08/20/18 10:30 PM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: TeacherRO]
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For EDC, I am surprised at how few people carry any duct tape, aluminum foil, high tensile string(like dacron fishing string), and ziplocs. These are things that take up very little space, and I use them all on a regular basis. Yet you just don't see these things in people's pockets as much as you'd think.
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#291128 - 11/16/18 06:37 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: benjammin]
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Originally Posted By: benjammin
For EDC, I am surprised at how few people carry any duct tape, aluminum foil, high tensile string(like dacron fishing string), and ziplocs. These are things that take up very little space, and I use them all on a regular basis. Yet you just don't see these things in people's pockets as much as you'd think.


Agree. Small things can be very useful; I'd add
- safety pins
- rubber bands ( Thank you Colin Fletcher)
- 1m of para cord
- ear plugs



Edited by TeacherRO (11/16/18 06:37 AM)

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#291138 - 11/18/18 06:09 AM Re: stuff you don't see in EDC... [Re: haertig]
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I would hope that electronic locks have gotten to the point where you need more than just a voice command to open them.

We’re in an apartment now, but it’s a consideration when we buy a house within the next year.
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