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#287831 - 01/14/18 03:16 AM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: chaosmagnet]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 1634
Loc: Ocala, FL
Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
You can never have too many bandaids, gloves, or BZK wipes. You can never have too much gauze, bandages, or good tape.

I have a lot of refill supplies. The following is what I think is worth mentioning:

(1) Box, Nitrile Gloves
(1) Box, Biohazard Waste Bags
(1) Box, Trauma Dressing, 5" x 9"
(10) Triangular Bandages
(22) Suture Strip Plus, 1/4" Wound Closure Strips
(3) Povidone-Iodine 10% Solution
(4) Petrolatum Gauze, 3"x 9"
(2) Irrigation Syringe, 60cc
(3) Water-Jel Burn Gel
(8) Stretch Gauze Bandage, 3"
(1) Box, Sterile Gauze, 3" x 3"
(1) Box, Sterile Gauze, 4" x 4"
(2) Box, Non-Adherent Dressing, 3" x 4"
(1) Dyna-stopper Dressing
(2) CoFlex LF2 Foam Bandage, 2"
(2) Elastic Bandages, 3"
(1) Elastic Bandages, 4"
(1) Box, Knuckle Bandages
(5) Cloth Tape, 1"
(40) Oval Eye Pads
(1) Disposable Penlight

Again, those are what I think are worth mentioning. I have other items. Out of those listed, I don't know how much I can bring with me.

Jeanette Isabelle
_________________________
"A grain of wheat must fall to the ground before it can do any good. New life springs from fallen grain." -- Fleda Claes Johansson

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#288264 - 02/27/18 09:59 PM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: chaosmagnet]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 1634
Loc: Ocala, FL
Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
You can never have too many bandaids, gloves, or BZK wipes. You can never have too much gauze, bandages, or good tape.

You're don't have much in the way of OTC meds for multiple people or more than one day.

Though more expensive, I wonder if the following kit would be better in a situation where space is an issue.

https://www.aeromedix.com/doc-blue-s-family-medical-kit

I would need a box of gloves to supplement this kit; it has everything else that quickly runs out: self-adhesive bandages, wipes, 4" x 4" and other bandaging material, tape and medications.

Exterior Zip Pocket 1 (Left side, facing front of bag)
– (2 ea) Dermicel Tape – 1”
– (1 ea) Dermicel Tape – 2”
– (1 ea) Elastic Bandage – 6”
– (2 ea) Porous Cloth Tape – 1”
– (1 ea) Porous Cloth Tape – 2”
Exterior Zip Pocket 2 (top of bag)
– (3 ea) Extra Medkit bags
– (1 ea) Sam Splint
– (1 ea) Travel John – 3 pack
Exterior Zip Pocket 3 (Right side, facing front of bag)
– (1 ea) Eye wash – 4 oz
– (1 ea) Children's Tylenol – 3.38oz
– (1 ea) Hand Sanitizer – 4 oz
– (1 ea) GO! Towels – 4 pack
Velcro Keeper Strip
– (1 ea) Mosquito Hemostat
– (1 ea) Small EMT shears
Bag Set #1
– Sub Location 1
– (20 ea) Betadine Pads
– (1 ea) Scalpel Blade #10
– Sub Location 2
– (21 ea) Wash-Up towelettes
Bag Set #2
– Sub Location 1
– (16 ea) Buffered Aspirin tablet - 2 pack
– Sub Location 2
– (16 ea) Buffered Aspirin tablet - 2 pack
– Sub Location 3
– (24 ea) Pepto Bismol (or equiv) tablet - 2 pack
– Sub Location 4
– (12 ea) Benadryl (or equiv) tablet – 2 pack
Bag Set #3
– Sub Location 1
– (1 ea) Cough Drops – 25 pack
– (4 ea) Ear Plugs pack
– Sub Location 2
– (2 ea) Dramamine tablet – 8 pack
– (1 ea) Bag of Safety Pins – 12 pack

Bag Set #4
– Sub Location 1
– (32 ea) Electrolyte tablets – 2 pack
– Sub Location 2
– (32 ea) Ibuprofen tablets – 2 pack
Bag Set # 5
– Sub Location 1
– (30 ea) Cotton Tip Applicators – 2 pack
– Sub Location 2
– (2 ea) Kleenex Pack
– (15 ea) Tongue Depressors
– Sub Location 3
– (32 ea) Acetaminophen tablet – 2 pack
– (1 ea) Imodium AD tablet – 12 pack
Bag Set #6
– Sub Location 1
– (20 ea) 4x4 gauze
– (1 ea) First Aid Book
– Sub Location 2
– (2 ea) Maxi pads
– (2 ea) Tampons
– Sub Location 3
– (1 ea) Moleskin
– (5 ea) Non-Ad Pad
Bag Set #7
– Sub Location 1
– (30 ea) Fingertip woven bandage
– (30 ea) Knuckle woven bandage
– Sub Location 2
– (30 ea) 1”x3” woven strip bandage
– (30 ea) Character Strips (inside small ziplock)
Bag Set #8
– Sub Location 1
– (5 ea) Hydrocortizone 1% Foil pack
– (1 ea) Steristrip – 3
– (1 ea) Steristrip – 5
– (1 ea) Steristrip – 6
– Sub Location 2
– (30 ea) Plastic Spot

Interior Removable Zip Pouch #1
– (1 ea) Coflex – 3”
– (1 ea) Elastic Bandage – 2”
– (1 ea) Elastic Bandage – 4”
– (3 ea) Triangle Bandage
Interior Removable Zip Pouch #2
– (2 ea) Cold Pack
– (5 ea) Burn-Free packet
– (4 ea) Matisol tube
Interior Removable Zip Pouch #3
– (2 ea) Flexicon Bandage – 2”
– (2 ea) Flexicon Bandage – 4”
– (2 ea) Flexicon Bandage – 6”
Bottom Slip Pocket (Under removable Pouches)
– (3 ea) Zip Lock Bags – 12” x 15”
Top Slip Pocket (Under Bag Sets)
– (2 ea) Trash Bags – 20 quart
Elastic Loops
– (2 ea) Betadine Solution – 0.5 oz
– (1 ea) SPF 30 Sunscreen – 1 oz
– (1 ea) Blistex Lip Balm – tube
– (1 ea) Nu-Tears (or equiv) – 0.5 oz
– (3 ea) Sterile Needles – 18 Gauge
Loose between Removable Pouches and Elastic Loops
– Natrapel Pump – 3.5 oz
Waist Belt Wing Pocket Right
– (1 ea) Nitrile Gloves – Large – Pair
Waist Belt Wing Pocket Left
– (1 ea) Nitrile Gloves – Large – Pair

Being a kit for pilots, it has some items I do not need such as a travel john and earplugs. I would take those items out and put in something more useful. It does not have any tweezers so that is something I would add.

Jeanette Isabelle
_________________________
"A grain of wheat must fall to the ground before it can do any good. New life springs from fallen grain." -- Fleda Claes Johansson

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#288265 - 02/28/18 12:45 AM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
chaosmagnet Offline
Sheriff
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 2876
Loc: USA
Earplugs are small in weight and space and quite the blessing when you need them.

For me it seems light on OTC meds, particularly ipuprofen, acetaminophen, and diarrhea treatment.

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#288266 - 02/28/18 02:15 AM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: chaosmagnet]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 1634
Loc: Ocala, FL
Compared to other meds, the amount of Pepto Bismol, Benadryl and Imodium AD is low. At thirty-two does each the amount of aspirin, acetaminophen and ibuprofen seem adequate.

Jeanette Isabelle
_________________________
"A grain of wheat must fall to the ground before it can do any good. New life springs from fallen grain." -- Fleda Claes Johansson

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#288270 - 03/01/18 01:21 AM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
CJK Offline
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Registered: 08/14/05
Posts: 518
Loc: FL, USA
Ok...My 2c... Quick resume:30 plus years (over 20 as a Medic) field provider for NYC EMS and Florida EMS.

In all those years I have NEVER needed to do a needle or surgical cric. I have only had ONE spontaneous Tension Pneumothorax (collapsed lung) patient. All others were trauma related and penetrating injuries. Maybe all of my 'blunt force' tramuas were lucky in that they never presented with a Tension Pneumothorax. Any lung collapses were self limiting on my patients (again-lucky for them?)

We were instructed that the Thoracentesis (needle decompression) was to relieve the TENSION Pneumo. We did not and do not do it for a simple pneumothorax. Granted a long term 'bug out' type scenario would present with other concerns maybe over days the simple will become tension- I (or really my patient) only had to make it to the ER. I do know that 'my' simple pneumos did not progress because I followed up on them to be sure I didn't miss anything.

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#288272 - 03/01/18 02:31 AM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
chaosmagnet Offline
Sheriff
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 2876
Loc: USA
I have been trained (MUCH less training than CJK) that tension pneumo comes after traumatic injury and not spontaneously. And while I’m trained and equipped to treat it, if I can’t get a victim to definitive care quickly I wouldn’t be optimistic about their long-term chances.

In other words: I carry the gear because I know how and when to use it, but in a long-term situation without definitive care available, it’s of much less value.

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#288273 - 03/01/18 03:43 AM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: chaosmagnet]
Russ Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 4709
Loc: SOCAL
What I think I’m reading here is that in some cases 5# of FAK does not necessarily mean a satisfactory outcome unless something more than an FAK is forthcoming.

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#288276 - 03/01/18 01:39 PM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: Russ]
chaosmagnet Offline
Sheriff
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 2876
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Russ
What I think I’m reading here is that in some cases 5# of FAK does not necessarily mean a satisfactory outcome unless something more than an FAK is forthcoming.


Agreed 100%.

I was trained that there are three kinds of casualties:

  • People who will live even if you do nothing
  • People who will die no matter what you do
  • People who will live if you execute the right interventions in a timely fashion, and then get them to definitive care rapidly


For any situation where definitive care isn't available for some period of time, the third category gets smaller as the second category gets bigger.

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#288277 - 03/01/18 02:00 PM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: chaosmagnet]
hikermor Offline
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 6224
Loc: southern Cal
I have heard of the "Golden Hour," the time available to treat the critical conditions, package, and transport the patient - conclusion: don't fiddle in the field working on less important stuff, but get them to the ER! Thank heaven for helos!
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#288283 - 03/01/18 04:07 PM Re: Bug Out First Aid Kit [Re: hikermor]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 1634
Loc: Ocala, FL
Originally Posted By: hikermor
I have heard of the "Golden Hour," the time available to treat the critical conditions, package, and transport the patient - conclusion: don't fiddle in the field working on less important stuff, but get them to the ER! Thank heaven for helos!

I mentioned I decided against decompression needles.

I mentioned before I study Bible prophecy and I listen to what modern-day prophets, who have proven themselves to be credible, have to say. And while I have some idea, I do not have a clear picture of how we are to prepare because I don't have a clear view of everything that will happen.

If we have to bug out, it will be because a situation is so dire that being airlifted to a well-stocked emergency room in twenty-four hours or less is not in the picture. That is part of the reason I decided against decompression needles: they require an immediate follow-up.

Jeanette Isabelle
_________________________
"A grain of wheat must fall to the ground before it can do any good. New life springs from fallen grain." -- Fleda Claes Johansson

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