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#285852 - 09/02/17 06:01 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
wildman800 Offline
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Apparently the gasoline pipeline that runs from Houston to Linden, NJ is being shutdown. That would probably affect many states on either side of the pipeline and possibly north of NJ as well. It's impossible to definitively state unless the distribution network that feeds off that pipeline is fully known.

Hurricane HARVEY: the gift that keeps on giving!!!


Edited by wildman800 (09/02/17 06:02 PM)
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#285853 - 09/02/17 07:46 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
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Originally Posted By: wildman800
Some folks are returning to their homes and finding squatters or looters in their homes.


That's absolutely enraging.

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#285856 - 09/03/17 12:45 AM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: adam2]
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Loc: East Tennessee near Bristol
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And for next time, consider prohibiting new single story homes.
Require that all new construction be of at least two stories, and of substantial construction.


Quote:
In very low lying areas, where even an upper floor would be vulnerable, prohibit new construction.


Or require built on stilts like some people do with beach houses. I've seen it done along a river in GA or SC. A person built one near a local river and put the bottom of the first floor at least eight feet above the ground.

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#285860 - 09/03/17 03:02 AM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: chaosmagnet]
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I just heard an NPR interview with the Chief of Police, Houston. Some looting and burglaries have occurred, but, compared to an average weekend, the number of such incidents is down.
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#285872 - 09/03/17 08:33 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
Pete Offline
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NEWS

The Arkema plant in Crosby, Texas, has gone up in flames yet again.
A plume of black smoke came from the plant on Friday during a very intense fire. At least two of eight remaining tractor trailers containing organic peroxide have exploded, CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave reports.
When the refrigeration units quit during Harvey's extensive flooding, the Arkema chemical plant said it would explode at any moment.
Fire crews said they have to let the blaze burn itself out because it's too dangerous to go in. The smoke emitted is an irritant that can create breathing issues. At least 18 first responders were taken to the hospital with a variety of issues, Van Cleave reports.
As the smoke billowed out, police put on protective gear including gas masks. 
On Friday, some residents living near the Arkema chemical plant tried to get around a mandatory evacuation order to get back home but were met by road blocks.

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Organic peroxides ... very unstable at higher temperatures. The fumes are respiratory irritants.

Not sure why this company does not have backup electrical generators for their refrigeration systems.

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#285875 - 09/03/17 08:57 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
wildman800 Offline
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AAR Part 2:

I'm staying overnight in Sulphur, La. Local churches and other civic organizations are placing stockpiles of prepared meals, clothing, diapers, baby formula, dog food, etc, etc at each motel/hotel. The cheaper the motel/hotel, the more supplies that are allotted. The motels/hotels are laying these supplies out in their lobbies and dining areas.

The Cajun Navy is serving meals each day (1500 CST) at the Conoco station which is located centrally in respect to the hotels here.

I'm really impressed at how the locals are providing for their own and for the Texians that are mostly from Beaumont eastwards of Cameron Parish/Lake Charles area.

As much as we Cajuns tease Texians and vice versa; it is truly great to see how much we assist each other when the SHTF!!!
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#285876 - 09/03/17 11:54 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
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Your report is indeed welcome news!!
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#285880 - 09/04/17 11:43 AM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: Pete]
adam2 Offline
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Registered: 05/23/08
Posts: 474
Loc: Somerset UK
Originally Posted By: Pete
NEWS

The Arkema plant in Crosby, Texas, has gone up in flames yet again.
A plume of black smoke came from the plant on Friday during a very intense fire. At least two of eight remaining tractor trailers containing organic peroxide have exploded, CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave reports.
When the refrigeration units quit during Harvey's extensive flooding, the Arkema chemical plant said it would explode at any moment.
Fire crews said they have to let the blaze burn itself out because it's too dangerous to go in. The smoke emitted is an irritant that can create breathing issues. At least 18 first responders were taken to the hospital with a variety of issues, Van Cleave reports.
As the smoke billowed out, police put on protective gear including gas masks. 
On Friday, some residents living near the Arkema chemical plant tried to get around a mandatory evacuation order to get back home but were met by road blocks.

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Organic peroxides ... very unstable at higher temperatures. The fumes are respiratory irritants.

Not sure why this company does not have backup electrical generators for their refrigeration systems.


UK reports state that they DID have generators but that these were placed below flood level and therefore of no use during this emergency.
If true, this is very poor planning indeed.
A concrete plinth or a steel frame to install generators above flood level is not expensive.

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#285888 - 09/04/17 08:18 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
wildman800 Offline
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AAR #3:

I'm back onboard and we have departed Lake Charles, La enroute Houston, Tx.

There are some spots, due to fast currents, that we can only transit during daylight hours, some bridges that we either have to have an escort or break the tow up and go through the bridge with one barge at a time. There are still some areas that are closed to any traffic.

All of these situations ans restrictions are changing on a daily basis.

We are topped off with fuel, lube oil, water, and groceries as there are none available from Orange, Tx to Corpus Christi, Tx, as of right now. The supply situation is constantly changing also.
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#285893 - 09/04/17 11:51 PM Re: TD HARVEY cometh [Re: wildman800]
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Just talked to my sister, normally residing in Houston, who took a huurication with her daughter to Philadelphia (daughter's home) where there is a fair amount of relatively dry ground. I would have been much more puckered if I had known that my sister's townhouse was all of two blocks away from Buffalo Bayou- it was not touched by the flood, nor was that of my nephew, who is presently engaged in ripping drywall from friends' homes.

Love that term "hurrication". I suppose an equivalent word for those of us who do earthquakes would be "quakcamp" in which you pitch a tent next to your uninhabitable dwelling and roast chestnuts on an open fire, etc.
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