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#286448 - 09/24/17 09:49 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
wildman800 Offline
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If NoKo is a concern of yours, then I suggest that you gear some prep resources towards an EMP event. NoKo has 2 satellites in polar orbits that come right over the USA 2-4 times a day. Officially they are a type of observation type of platforms geared towards weather, crop growth, etc.

If you believe that, I suggest you find and read the opening strike for the Soviet plan to nuke us in 1965....
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#286455 - 09/25/17 02:00 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
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Wildman - agree with you that the threat would be an EMP event. Definitely.

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#286456 - 09/25/17 03:52 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
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Well ... looks like my timing was good. Based on new remarks from N. Korea today. This isn't going to take long to swing into full gear ...

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NEWS, 25 SEP 2017:

North Korea's foreign minister said on Monday that U.S. President Donald Trump had declared war on North Korea and that Pyongyang reserves the right to take countermeasures, including shooting down U.S. strategic bombers even if they are not in the country's air space.

"The whole world should clearly remember it was the U.S. who first declared war on our country," Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told reporters in New York.

"Since the United States declared war on our country, we will have every right to make countermeasures, including the right to shoot down United States strategic bombers even when they are not inside the airspace border of our country."

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#286458 - 09/25/17 04:32 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: Pete]
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The Korean war never ended, it's just been on hold for 65 years. If the current Kim wants it to go hot again, that's on him.

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#286459 - 09/25/17 04:54 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: Pete]
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One other thought -- in 1969 North Korea shot down an unarmed Navy reconnaissance aircraft in international airspace (100 NM off the coast) as a birthday present for un's grandfather, Kim Il-Sung.

Naval History Blog Blog Archive 15 April 1969: Deep Sea 129 Shootdown
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...North Korea not only acknowledged the shoot down, they loudly and boastfully celebrated their action. President Nixon suspended PARPRO flights in the Sea of Japan for three days and then allowed them to resume, only with escorts. No reparations were ever paid to the US or the families of the lost airmen.
And Kim Il-Sung celebrated another birthday (April 15th). ...

Kim's threat of a shoot-down due to a renewed state a war rings hollow, as an active state-of-war has been shown to be unnecessary for the Kim's to shoot down US military aircraft.

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#286460 - 09/25/17 05:25 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
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it is difficult to know what either side will do in this situation. There is no point in N. Korea shooting down a US bomber, unless they also plan on launching all their missiles. However, personally, my judgment of Kim Jong-Un's personality is that there could be circumstances where he is willing to do this. He might believe his own hype ... that he can do serious damage to the mainland USA.

The essential point is this. This conflict would go nuclear very quickly. Both sides know this. And there is no such thing as "Second Place" in a nuclear war. Therefore ... this situation is highly unstable. It only takes a small mistake, or one aggressive reaction, and things can easily spiral into real war.

I don't believe in "living in fear" ... I am not changing my daily routine. but I am taking a few simple steps to be more independent ... more food in the pantry, extra water, etc.

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#286461 - 09/25/17 06:36 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Pete
... there is no such thing as "Second Place" in a nuclear war. ...
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Is there a "First Place" in nuclear war? Or is that the guy who loses the least... Rhetorical question. All my life until recently the point of nuclear weapons was to ensure the other guy would not use his and all the players were rational. Not so much these days.

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#286468 - 09/25/17 11:31 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: Russ]
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Given the destructive power available, would anyone "win"? The novel "On the Beach" might come true....(movie as well....)
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#286469 - 09/26/17 02:23 AM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
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** "Is there a "First Place" in nuclear war? Or is that the guy who loses the least... Rhetorical question."

Good question.
Well I'll say this - there won't be a "first place" if the N. Koreans do actually succeed in detonating a nuclear bomb in the skies over the US mainland. We would survive as a nation, certainly, but it would shatter our belief about American invulnerability. I guess this is a part of the "gamble" that the Pentagon must weigh up ... what chance is there that this could happen?

** Given the destructive power available, would anyone "win"?
There could be a lot of losers in Asia, that's for sure. Could the US stop N. Korea without using nuclear weapons - and without major losses to S. Korea? You tell me. It's the $64,000 question.

Back to my original question.
Where are our Civil Defense plans??

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#286472 - 09/26/17 03:25 AM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
"On the Beach" might come true...


I suppose the cobalt angle is a particularly unhinged possibility, but it would absolutely guarantee the end of the NK regime. The opinion of the entire world would swing. So I rather doubt it.

The more bluster out of NK, the more internal turmoil that makes it necessary. That's my wager.

But it's not NK that is an immediate threat to the Western world broadly, and I'm rather puzzled at the amount of click-bait ink being expended. I guess it's an easy story, and any speculation gets play.

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