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#284958 - 07/12/17 10:40 AM What NOT to do in a disaster
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#284970 - 07/12/17 11:39 PM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Thanks! That's a good read.....
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#284976 - 07/13/17 06:59 AM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Also somewhat frightening I might add.

Half of us are doomed before the disaster even struck. Our psychological make up isn't going to react properly. How to prepare for that I'm not sure. Having worn the blue I'm used to rushing in where angels fear. Again and again in the simplest of scenarios, so many people do nothing.
And if it's violence many people suddenly find themselves 100 yards away and don't even remember moving. Good sense if you ask me. Unfortunately someone has to do something.

Classic recent example:

https://youtu.be/dtH0DkEJxzY

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#284977 - 07/13/17 11:16 AM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Training, training and having trained people trying to guide the untrained people.

And then there are so many other factors in human behavior when saving people.
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#284979 - 07/13/17 01:59 PM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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It can be trained with stress inoculation and skills, but most people will not bother to learn it or participate in it. So there will always be a small group who can do it leading the larger number who are looking for a leader to follow.

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#284981 - 07/13/17 07:58 PM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Montanero has a good point. A lot of people will follow, if someone takes a lead.

Example ... there was a terrorist attack at a mall in Kenya a few years back. Most people who were trapped inside cowered, and did not move. But there was one guy there, an ex-SAS commando, who looked for openings and then smuggled people out of the building. apparently he got quite a few people out.

so if people appear"frozen in place",dont lose hope. they wont necessarily stay that way if someone takes the lead.

Pete


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#284998 - 07/15/17 12:03 AM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I probably posted years ago about 9/11/2001 when my wife worked at a downtown law firm. Everyone was looking out the windows at the people leaving but were not yet allowed to leave. We found out later that her along with the rest of the staff was held until all the lawyers were quietly evacuated. We both decided then that if we ever have a true emergency we leave and ask for our jobs back once its over.

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#285000 - 07/15/17 02:47 AM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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If someone tells me not to leave a building during a safety emergency, they'll be telling my back as I go.

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#285009 - 07/15/17 04:10 PM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Or looking up at me as I walk over them!

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#285021 - 07/17/17 08:47 AM Re: What NOT to do in a disaster [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Can anyone explaine why the employees were not allowed to leave the building? To me it seems like a criminal act not allowing people to save them self and let them run away from a disaster area.


Edited by Herman30 (07/17/17 08:49 AM)

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