#283808 - 02/20/17 05:45 AM
Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
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Journeyman
Registered: 02/11/05
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My friend is an avid mountain biker, year-round. We were talking about dressing for the cold, and he told me that his hands and feet get freezing cold in the winter, despite wearing quality hand and footwear.
I suggested that his core temperature was too low, and if he kept his head and torso warmer, his extremities would warm up. He disagreed, saying that while biking his core temperature is so warm that he sweats profusely while his extremities freeze. Apparently the guys he bikes with seem to all have the same issue.
I guess I assumed that if you're sweating, that means your core temperature is warm. Maybe too warm.
He says he tends to dress pretty light, and seems to understand layers, etc.
I don't usually do anything as strenuous as he does, but I tend to stay warm outside. If I start to sweat, I remove a layer or ventilate, but my hands and feet tend to still stay warm.
What suggestions do you all have?
Thanks,
David
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#283810 - 02/20/17 08:39 AM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 04/08/02
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Have the same issue on the bike or just running. Head and body sweating like crazy, but hands are cold. Wearing better gloves works for me...
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#283817 - 02/20/17 02:01 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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I've had the same problem biking in the winter as well. I could easily keep my core warm with light layers, a windproof jacket and the heat generated in my torso and quads by moderately strenuous pedaling. I believe the answer for cold hands is windchill and hand position. My winter bicycling specific gloves had a patch on the thumb to wipe off glasses. The wind would blow right through that patch and freeze my thumbs first to the point of pain. Since my hands were stuck in basically one position holding onto the handlebars, (that allowed quick access to the gears and brakes), there was not much I could do. I tried other gloves I owned but they were worse with the wind. A quick look at windchill numbers helps show the temperature difference: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/cold/wind_chill.shtmlFor my feet, I found the problem was more that my clipless pedals conducted heat away from my feet. My soles would feel it first at the connection point between shoe and pedal. I could not fit too thick a sock inside my bicycling shoes. For what to do to keep warm? I would say trying out different gloves and using toe warmers can help. If your friend can find gloves with liners, (that still allow access to the controls), he can slip toe warmers between the layers. Two things I never tried were over booties and changing out the insoles.
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#283818 - 02/20/17 02:04 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: Herman30]
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Geezer in Chief
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I have commuted by bike in fairly cool conditions, and it helps to start out slightly on the cool side, gaining comfort as you exercise. I found that insulating my head, usually a balaclava beneath my helmet, kept everything nice and comfy. Windproof is critical.
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#283821 - 02/20/17 03:17 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: chaosmagnet]
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Registered: 06/02/06
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Loc: SOCAL
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I've only ever used fingerless gloves for bicycling and they would be useless in cold weather. But my bike doesn't like snow/slush/rain or even cold weather for that matter. It complains vociferously when its chain and sprockets get gunked up. Sounds like wind-chill to me with gloves that are good for bike handling but not so much for cold weather at bicycling speeds.
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#283824 - 02/20/17 03:44 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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Veteran
Registered: 08/16/02
Posts: 1204
Loc: Germany
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I ride an enduro motorcycle that has shields for the hands. That feels much more comfy than riding bikes without those shields (+1 on the windchill Ration sweat. Proper garment for the upper body and isolating forearms and legs may also help. If you are in a mode to disipate the heat, there may not be enough to heat your hands and feet. I must admit though that cold hands or feet a rarely a problem for me.
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#283829 - 02/20/17 08:48 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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Old Hand
Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1181
Loc: Channeled Scablands
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My friend rode the Bike-Iditerod with temps over the several days at -20 F. She wore pack boots with super gaiters. Wind shell mittens over other gloves.
They all still stopped riding about every 30 minutes and pushed their bikes to warm up their hands, face and feet.
i would try hand warmers inside mittens and over-boots.
And use cross country ski pants and jackets which are windproof on the front and stretch breathable on the back. Craft makes some nice ones.
Local cross country ski racers went to alaska to race. They said they wore 3 hats- two on their head and one in their pants. The boys anyway.
Edited by clearwater (02/20/17 08:52 PM)
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#283833 - 02/21/17 01:16 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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Enthusiast
Registered: 01/12/04
Posts: 265
Loc: Stafford, VA, USA
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It could also be Raynaud's Disease: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/raynauds-disease/basics/definition/con-20022916I think I have a mild case as my hands and feet are always cold even if my core is sweating. A friend has it worse. One thing for the hands is to insulate the wrists. When I use a liner layer that has thumbholes, my wrists stay warm and therefore my hands stay warmer. Conversely, if my core starts to sweat, opening up my wrists will remove a fair amount of heat. The cold wrist also trigers vasoconstriction which makes the problem worse. Feet more or less work the same way. Regards, Bill
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#283834 - 02/21/17 03:54 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: williamlatham]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 11/09/06
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Loc: La-USA
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I have Reynaud's Disease or Syndrome. I've found that wearing fingerless wool gloves helps a lot! The USGI gloves keep the wrists and palms warm which keeps warm blood flowing to the fingers. Fingerless gloves are good down to 60deg F. I need full fingered (USGI) wool gloves down to 50deg F, wool gloves and leather shells down to freezing temp. I'm now the owner of sheep's wool lined leather gloves (as a external shell) to go along with the wool gloves and (USGI) arctic mittens for below freezing temps.
I have not had a problem with my feet but the temps don't get to freezing or below in South Louisiana very often or for very long. I do keep a pair of USGI Arctic duck cloth green boots with wool liners (booties) for those times of low temps. Those boots may be ugly, in some folk's opinion's, but they are the most comfortable boot I've ever worn.
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#283871 - 02/26/17 03:31 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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Journeyman
Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 82
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Thanks for the replies, although I'm still a bit mystified. I don't think my hands or feet have ever gotten uncomfortably cold while I was doing strenuous exercise, unless they were wet. I've never biked in the winter, so maybe that's different somehow.
Would adding more core layer insulation help? My friend tells me he dresses pretty lightly overall, I think because he doesn't want to sweat too much. If he's going to sweat anyway, no matter how lightly dressed he is, does it matter if another layer makes him even warmer?
David
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#283876 - 02/26/17 07:07 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: bigmbogo]
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Geezer in Chief
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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Just one thing to add: make sure the gloves are windproof. Hands are exposed, stationary, and exposed to the elements and you are generating a lot of breeze. Merely thick insulation is not as important as wind proofing.
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#284049 - 03/12/17 08:50 PM
Re: Core temp, cold extremities, sweating
[Re: wildman800]
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Old Hand
Registered: 06/03/09
Posts: 982
Loc: Norway
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I've found that wearing fingerless wool gloves helps a lot! So do I. My cold weather mittens are a pair of thick fingerless wool gloves with a windproof layer on top. (Some cotton canvas or synthetic thing, semi-water repellant). I use these when temps drop a few degrees below freezing or colder. These kind of mittens are standard for equipment for cold weather skiing. Comes in all price ranges. Operating brakes and gears aren't exactly "fingerspitsgefühl", but good enough.
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