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#283455 - 01/21/17 11:10 AM Survival kit for your home.
quick_joey_small Offline
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Registered: 01/13/09
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Loc: UK
The number one item on my ideal Bug out list; Survival Lilly, shows a home survival kit. Including the 'flowering pot' heater. It's the only list I've seen with a geiger counter. For some reason people believe in stocking up on guns for the end of the world; but don't prepare for the only thing that could wreck western society; a nuclear war (spoiler alert there is no such thing as zombies).

https://youtu.be/ARZ0EGlIBkY

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#283466 - 01/21/17 04:26 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: quick_joey_small]
hikermor Offline
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She features one of my favorites - the Trangia stove, simple to operate and runs on a variety of fuels. I would be tempted to augment it with a small canister stove, if space permitted.
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#283467 - 01/21/17 05:57 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: quick_joey_small]
Tjin Offline
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I heard that the flowerpot heater can be dangerous due to CO. The pot prevents proper burning.

Also not sure how usefull a geigercounter is. It's just a tiny part of equipment and skill level of any radiation incident...
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#283468 - 01/21/17 08:49 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: quick_joey_small]
bws48 Offline
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Registered: 08/18/07
Posts: 831
Loc: Anne Arundel County, Maryland
Someone somewhere should make it clear that the flower pot used needs to be terracotta, not the usual plastic ones you find today. So, here I am stating the obvious.

I first heard of doing this many years ago, but putting the pot on top of a natural gas fired stove's hob---supposedly a big increase in radiated heat. The stove, I think, would not produce any more CO than normal as the gas and O2 are mixed in the stove prior to burning, thus the blue flame.

I'm very skeptical of the tea candle producing any useful heat.
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#283469 - 01/21/17 10:14 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: bws48]
hikermor Offline
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Presumably the tea candle will produce enough heat to equal that radiated by the typical human bod. That might help in a small, enclosed space.

Fortunately,my living room sports a fireplace and I have a stack of firewood. That will produce a lot more heat.
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#283471 - 01/22/17 04:52 AM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: quick_joey_small]
Phaedrus Offline
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Registered: 04/28/10
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Loc: Big Sky Country
I love Survival Lilly, and her friend Bushcraft Steph. Great channels!
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#283472 - 01/22/17 05:13 AM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: quick_joey_small]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
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Loc: SOCAL
My only comment is why all the small gear such as you'd have in a BOB or GHB?

Lighting: Why a headlamp when an LED lamp can light the room, not just where your head is pointing? A headlamp has its place, but there are better options for a home kit.

Cooking: Why a Trangia alcohol stove when a cheap butane stove can heat a lot more food and water faster? I expect to see a Trangia in a small hiking kit,not a home kit. We've had a few power outages and cooking on butane is not a problem.

Food: I mostly agree. Most people do not stockpile food at home these days.

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#283474 - 01/22/17 12:31 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: Russ]
bws48 Offline
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Registered: 08/18/07
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Loc: Anne Arundel County, Maryland
Originally Posted By: Russ
My only comment is why all the small gear such as you'd have in a BOB or GHB?

+1

At home, even in a small apartment, there are more effective choices. As suggested, a LED lantern, or, really old school, kerosene lamps: many choices. Same with cooking: a two burner propane Coleman stove will work fine at home.
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#283480 - 01/22/17 03:08 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: bws48]
Russ Offline
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Yeah, there are both kerosene and LED lanterns here. If it's just a short power outage, there's no reason to break out the kerosene. An LED lantern is fine until the sun comes up and they don't smell. My other half liked my County Comm Lumora LED lantern so much I bought one just for her.

OTOH, I need my coffee et al and if the power is out when it's time to heat something, my GasOne butane stove comes out without a second thought. It heats water as fast if not faster than the electric stovetop.

OT: GasOne now has a dual fuel version. GAS ONE NEW GS-3400P Dual Fuel Portable Propane & Butane...
Quote:
...Compatible with both butane (Fuel not included) and propane fuel (Fuel not included) / Operates on a single butane cartridge 8 oz or a propane cylinder 16.4 oz (Propane converter Regulator Included) **With Propane connect the adapter hose to the stove first before connecting to the 16 oz Propane tank***...

I may do this. I already have a conversion line to use a 20# propane bottle on my Coleman stove, so maybe ...

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#283482 - 01/22/17 04:03 PM Re: Survival kit for your home. [Re: Russ]
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The correct answer, for me, at least, is "all of the above." I have accumulated gear suitable for car camping, back packing,minimalist hiking (SAR), caving, and just about everything in between. I have two double burner propane stoves and three Trangias, for example. They can all come in handy whe the utilities are interrupted
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