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#276034 - 08/01/15 03:09 PM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: KenK]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
The BSA kit measures 10" x 9˝" x 4"; weighs 1.9 lbs -- larger than the AMK Fundamentals FAK but smaller than AMK's Comprehensive. It is also larger and heavier than the NOLS Med Kit 5.0, their largest which contains both 5x9 & 8x10 trauma pads and a triangle bandage -- NOLS Med Kit Comparison Chart, none of which are shown on the BSA kit's content list at the link above. If the AMK-BSA kit does contain the trauma pads and triangle bandages it might be a good kit. The BSA FAK bag itself is large so is probably suitable for major revisions, but without the trauma pads and triangle bandage the contents look more like a large boo-boo kit. FWIW, YMMV, $.02

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#276035 - 08/01/15 05:51 PM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: Russ]
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Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1233
Loc: Alaska
In my opinion, triangular bandages are in the "nice to have, but not essential" category, since their function can usually be readily improvised from other items.

I always include a small packet of aspirin in all my kits, as that is your only viable tool in case someone begins showing symptoms of a heart attack. While a heart attack may be unlikely among the young Boy Sprouts, it is certainly a possibility amongst the adult leaders.
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#276036 - 08/01/15 06:09 PM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: Mark_F]
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Mark, it sounds like a fun trip. You might want to consider bringing a rescue rope throw bag. Even in quiet river paddling these are handy. In faster rivers they are essential for quick rescue while minimizing risk to the rescuers. If you do take one be sure to review and practice how to use it efficiently and safely.

I'm sure you're considering your tactics on the river. It Is often a good idea to have the last boat be level headed, strong paddlers with good rescue skills. They can act as "sweep", to encourage lagging boats, make sure no one gets inadvertently left behind, and in a worst case to conduct a rescue if a boat capsizes.

Have fun!
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#276038 - 08/01/15 07:07 PM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: Mark_F]
TeacherRO Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
If its a big group. some waterproof walkie-talkies for the leaders; its hard for the front of the group to talk to those in the rear.

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#276040 - 08/01/15 09:34 PM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: Mark_F]
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Registered: 01/28/01
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Perhaps I missed it, but unless you can be assured 100% cell phone connectivity, I would urge you to include a PLB (or a SEND).
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#276127 - 08/08/15 03:46 AM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: Mark_F]
Pete Offline
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Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 1372
suggestion by Doug for a PLB is a super good idea.

I have done plenty of canoe trips in my time.
ALWAYS a blast.
But the main thing about canoe trips - it is always a PEOPLE problem. it's never an equipment problem. You can always get a pretty good amount of equipment and food in a canoe.

It always boils down to HOW PEOPLE COOPERATE.
If you ever want to see a knock-down drag-out fight ... put two stangers in one canoe. It takes close cooperation to go anywhere. Most people FALL APART fast on that "cooperation thing".

I highly commend you for trying this with your troop. Seriously. I suggest that as the Team Leader - you be prepared for major failures in teamwork and cooperation. It is guaranteed to happen. Be prepared to SWITCH partners, and do a lot of conflict resolution.

REMEMBER ONE THING.
Your Troop is watching how you respond to each "crisis". If you can avoid coming unglued - chances are that you will have a great trip. And take some kids Tylenol - you'll need it!!

cheers,
Pete

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#276168 - 08/10/15 05:34 PM Re: Canoe trips soon, any suggestions [Re: Mark_F]
TeacherRO Offline
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
Agreed: with scouts its often either a failure of maturity or a failure of preparation -
I'd expect lots of flip-flops, forgetting of key things, staying up all night the night before, etc.

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