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#274979 - 04/26/15 01:51 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
Pete Offline
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Here's an UPDATE on the situation at Everest Base Camp.
It looks like there are 17 people dead there.
The news is focusing on the fact that some of the dead are prominent people (incl. one exec from Google) - but all climbers are 'people', regardless of status. Everyone matters!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-26/dramatic-images-mount-everest-avalanche

It sounds like the situation is very difficult up there ... very large avalanches. Probably the firsthand reports will start to trickle out in the next week.

Pete


Edited by Pete (04/26/15 02:33 PM)

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#274980 - 04/26/15 04:16 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
jshannon Offline
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The comments at the bottom of the zerohedge link are brutal.

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#274981 - 04/26/15 04:32 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: Pete]
hikermor Offline
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This is just the beginning of the death toll. A 1934 quake hit the region in 1934, causing 10,000 fatalities. One also must wonder about about climbers on other mountains nearby, as well as isolated villages even closer to the epicenter. This is bad stuff, indeed.

From an article in todsys LA Times: "The most critical factor in reducing a community's risk from an earthquake is the adoption and enforcement of up-to-date building codes." LA take note.

Our local hospital is constructing a major addition. In an area prone to liquifaction, a major phase has been the construction of an adequate sub-foundation -a big hole in the ground into which a gazzillion tons of concrete have been poured. Let's hope it works....
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#274982 - 04/26/15 05:51 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
TeacherRO Offline
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I get the feeling that the casualty totals are underestimated.

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#274986 - 04/26/15 08:34 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 1918
Loc: Washington, DC

That Zerohedge video and stills (Pete posted the link above) is stunning.

Thanks to smartphones, disasters are well documented these days -- even in 3rd world countries.



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#274987 - 04/26/15 08:53 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
Dagny Offline
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The international community -- private organizations and governments -- seem to have been quick to mobilize, but getting to such a remote location is a chore in the best of times and circumstances.

Israel is once again demonstrating a resolve to help out in a big way when disaster strikes elsewhere in the world. I've been very impressed with how quickly and effectively Israel has stepped up in this and other disasters.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.653585

The Israeli army was preparing to send a rescue mission to Nepal Sunday that includes 260 people who will fly to Katmandu and set up a field hospital there.

Forty doctors and about 80 members of a medical team will operate the military field hospital, which will include operating rooms, X-rays, an emergency room, a room for expectant mothers and more. Three rescue teams, each of them with 20 rescuers, will also be included in the military delegation, as well as three dogs from the Oketz canine special forces unit and their handlers.

The delegation will bring with it 95 tons of equipment for 14 full days of operation.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/27/world/asia/nepal-earthquake-international-aid-agencies.html?_r=0


"A United States disaster relief response team of almost 70 people is expected to arrive on Monday, according Susan Parker-Burns, a spokeswoman for the United States Embassy in Katmandu. Two teams of American Special Forces were already in Nepal on a training exercise, and were now providing logistical and medical support to the country’s army, she added."

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#274988 - 04/26/15 10:11 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: Dagny]
AKSAR Offline
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The Atlantic has a photo spread on the devastation in Kathmandu.

As is usually the case, the official first responders are overwhelmed by such a disaster. This is no doubt particularly true in a country such as Nepal, where government agencies are hardly adequate even in normal times. Your best and fastest hope of rescue from a collapsed building is from local people around you.

The NYT has an article by an American living near Kathmandu.
Quote:
Making our way along the town’s narrow, medieval paths, we passed building after building that had collapsed. Residents, police officers and Nepal Scouts were digging through the debris with their hands, trying to rescue those who had been buried. Others were setting up temporary shelters in any open space. Blankets and cushions were laid out in the middle of roads.

Neighbors were helping neighbors. Those with motorcycles were ferrying cheap plastic canvas for tents from shops that remained open. Many people stopped us and asked if we needed food or water. Several invited us to spend the night with them. This is why I love Nepal. People here help one another because they know the government often cannot. They reach out to one another, and they persevere. They open their shops, because what else can one do when the world is upside down?


It is good that the various international rescue and aid teams are coming. No doubt the international rescue teams will find a few people still alive under the rubble. But the hard fact is that most trapped people who survive are found within the first 48 hours after the quake. By the time the Israeli, US, German, and other foreign teams arrive, all but a very few who are still buried in rubble will be dead. The most important aid the international effort can provide is to help the rest of the population cope.
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#274989 - 04/26/15 11:40 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
Pete Offline
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Jshannon ... ZeroHedge tries to give an alternate view of the economy and the financial system. A lot of the comments tend to be cynical - because regular readers are disenfranchised from the US economic system. Therefore, the general tone of the Commenters is often sarcastic or cynical. Unfortunately, this same tone can carry across to the regular news articles on ZeroHedge. I advise that you take the Comments there with a grain of salt.

ZeroHedge does OFFER the advantage that they are especially energetic in tracking down Internet sources for info that is not carried by the mainstream media. That would be their primary advantage for the "regular news" that they cover.

Pete

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#274990 - 04/26/15 11:44 PM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: jshannon]
Pete Offline
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ASKAR - my thinking is the same as yours.

The only possible hope was the military units within Nepal, and possibly the Ghurka regiments in Britain - if the UK mobilized them as quickly as possible.

I think that the closest help could conceivably come from China - but its not clear whether they offered a lot of help, and whether it was accepted.

Otherwise you are 100% correct, with rainfall in the quake zone and nightly temps dropping to 12 deg C - any survivors under the rubble will perish very quickly.

VERY SAD.

Pete

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#274991 - 04/27/15 12:05 AM Re: Nepal Earthquake [Re: Pete]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
LOL That's one of my go-to web sites. No wonder I have such a bent perspective on current events. Calling some of the comments simply sarcastic & cynical is being polite. The articles themselves are usually good and often much more on target than main stream media. IMO

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