In November 2014 an Austin PD officer used his pistol to stop an active shooter on the street. One shot into the X-ring. At over 100 yards. One handed while holding HIS HORSE with the other hand.

I've done a course with moving 3D targets (bad guys) and moving "no shoot" non-targets, where you had to be constantly on the move (sometimes involuntarily -- i.e., panicking crowd shoving you). Crazy guys do not move in a smooth, predictable way, and that was simulated (i.e., not shooting ducks scrolling smoothly from left to right at a fair). Even at half the distance of what you're talking about, it was really, really hard. I'd recommend a course like this.

And that was after basically sprinting (on his bike) over a quarter mile to the scene. Very impressive shot under stress.

Well, it turns out that an external shooter would have actually caused more problems in this particular situation. This guy offed himself. I'm struggling to think of a way you could have fired your CCW and and improved upon that outcome. Nobody would have gotten to this guy before he got his victims. So, let's not even mention that.

Again, I'm pro-CCW, and I would carry if I could. So, don't misread what I'm saying.

This isn't quite the same thing as saying someone who was carrying concealed would have caused more problems. The statistics show that having an armed civilian present would have been unlikely to make things worse.



He shot two people. I wasn't there and I don't know anything about how this went down other than in the link to the news story, but it's conceivable that someone who was carrying concealed might have been able to prevent one or both of the victims from being shot. It's also possible that the situation was such that it wasn't preventable by someone carrying concealed. We may never know.



How do you know that? I'm not saying you're wrong, because I sure as heck don't know, but you'd have to be in possession of more information about the incident than I am to be sure.

Except maybe one of the victims, had they given themselves a chance by being armed and aware. No guarantees, but at least a chance.

IIRC, there were a number of programs put into effect in the wake of Aurora and Sandy Hook. They came down to two philosophies

First:
1) Run
2) If not possible, then Hide
3) If discovered, then fight. I recall airline passengers, in the wake of 9/11, being instructed to throw luggage at any high jackers.

Second: ALICE, intended for schools and compartmented buildings like office buildings.
Alert
Lockdown - IIRC, this is where Sandy Hook went very wrong. The substitute teacher did not have the classroom key to lock the door.
Inform (realtime information on shooters location)
Counter - Fight. Ever get beaned with a flying laptop?
Evacuate - self explanatory

For reference and giggles
http://www.wrbl.com/story/27832442/valle...school-shooters

Yeah, getting hit by a can of beans might smart a bit. But it sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit for people to actually be recommending this as a valid self defense move, and expecting others to take them seriously. I think it must be the same group that recommends racking your pump shotgun and saying "that noise alone will scare them away!" Rrriiiggghhhttt... Maybe they're well meaning individuals giving this advice, but they're also stupider than a stump.

Ah, thanks! I mixed up the specifics. It was still a helluva shot no matter which country it was made in!

Well said. I think that if you're "outgunned" the best chance is probably to attempt to surprise the perp with a ferocious counter-ambush. Get inside his OODA loop and throw him off.

It's good to practice at many different distances. As a kid my dad had an FFL and dealt guns through our sports club. I was involved in hunting of all types (small game, birds on the wing, big game) and shooting sports. I especially liked silhouette shooting with rifles and bowling pin shooting with handguns. I was fortunate that we had a 100 acres we lived on in the country and a progressive reloader! I must have went a good 15-20 years shooting an average of 500 rounds per week.

I wouldn't call myself an expert or anything but I'm pretty competent with a wide range of firearms. Still, I hope to get more training, too.