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#273023 - 11/24/14 11:15 PM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: yee]
TonyE Offline
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Originally Posted By: yee
Originally Posted By: TonyE

The fiador IS designed for a specific use that other knots can not accomplish. But it serves other uses as well.


But what are these other uses? I can't think of anything OTHER than on a horse. Any other application, simpler knots suffice.
KISS.

I am reluctant to add the fiador to my bag of tricks until I can think of such a use. For instance, I commonly use the zeppelin Bend over the sheetbend even though it is more difficult to tie because

1. It is stronger then the sheetbend
2. It doesn't bind even after stress is applied.

What does the fiador bring to the table that the bowline on a bight with an additional sheetbend doesn't? Except for equine applications, the fiador is listed as a decorative knot only.


I like using a "decorative knot" in a practical applicatin. The advanage of the MWK style fiador (as opposed to the normaal diamond knot fiador) is that it DOES bind. The loops stay locked in place and because of the MWK strands constriction properties.
I have snown the uses for the MWK fiador in my original post. Why not use a decorative knot that holds tighter than a simpler knot. It is really not that difficult to tie. And you can trim the ends close to the knot. Cheers. Tony


Edited by TonyE (11/25/14 12:40 AM)
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#273028 - 11/25/14 01:23 AM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: TonyE]
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This topic interests me since I occasionally need to retrieve large bulky paleontological specimens typically weighing 300-500 pounds, using some fairly elaborate rope rigging techniques. Is there any information on destructive testing of the fiador knot, i.e., at what load will it fail, especially if the rope ends are trimmed close?
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#273029 - 11/25/14 04:45 AM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
This topic interests me since I occasionally need to retrieve large bulky paleontological specimens typically weighing 300-500 pounds, using some fairly elaborate rope rigging techniques. Is there any information on destructive testing of the fiador knot, i.e., at what load will it fail, especially if the rope ends are trimmed close?


I do not know of any such testing.
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#273049 - 11/26/14 01:26 PM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: TonyE]
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Originally Posted By: TonyE

I like using a "decorative knot" in a practical application.


Agreed, and I very much enjoy tying decorative knots in the comfort of my own sofa, with online access to detailed instructions. More so if the result has some practical application. Handiwork is underrated.

But my arsenal of knots I can tie anywhere, by heart, is very limited, and does not include decorative knots.

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#273058 - 11/26/14 09:18 PM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: MostlyHarmless]
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Originally Posted By: MostlyHarmless
Originally Posted By: TonyE

I like using a "decorative knot" in a practical application.


Agreed, and I very much enjoy tying decorative knots in the comfort of my own sofa, with online access to detailed instructions. More so if the result has some practical application. Handiwork is underrated.

But my arsenal of knots I can tie anywhere, by heart, is very limited, and does not include decorative knots.



If you want to dry a decorative/practical knot try the pineapple knot. I just posted a link.
http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=273057&#Post273057
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#273069 - 11/27/14 02:40 PM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: TonyE]
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The use of a matthew walker knot in horse tack is not unknown. While looking for more information about the fiador I came across this from Wilipedia - Fiador (tack)

Construction
In North America, a fiador is usually made from rope or cordage. Materials used may include horsehair, rawhide, cotton sash cord, or nylon. Cotton or nylon rope of approximately 6 mm diameter is the most common material. It runs behind the ears, over the poll of the horse, then joins under the cheeks with a fiador knot, or occasionally a Matthew Walker knot.
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#273125 - 12/03/14 05:39 AM Re: Fiador Knot Gear Carrier + Tutorial Link [Re: TonyE]
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I finally found a haaltger maker who uses the Matthew Walker Knot as a fiador knot. See halfway down the page.
http://userpages.chorus.net/dldanie2/halter/halter.html



Edited by TonyE (12/03/14 05:39 AM)
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