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#272498 - 10/26/14 11:41 PM field expedient rope winch
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I was doing a little research on firestarting ideas when I ran across a youtube channel, Norwegian Bushcraft, which appears to be full of great ideas.

For instance, a rope winch to self rescue a stuck car


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNkmH3R9u...mp;spfreload=10

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#272499 - 10/27/14 12:31 AM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: yee]
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Nice!

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#272505 - 10/27/14 04:15 AM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: yee]
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Apparently, this is a variation of a "Spanish windlass - http://www.inquiry.net/outdoor/skills/b-p/windlass.htm

Whatever you call it,it is nice to know. I think a few practice sessions are in order....
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#272508 - 10/27/14 08:32 AM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: yee]
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I thought it was invented by Mors Kochanski (Kochanski flip-flop winch) but then I googled and found this info:

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Though Mors Kochanski popularized the use of the flip flop winch, it appears it was used during World War II, by the British Army to help them get their vehicles out of the trenches.


http://outdoorselfreliance.com/flip-flop-winch/



Edited by Herman30 (10/27/14 08:33 AM)

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#272509 - 10/27/14 01:23 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: yee]
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Great find, yee. His YouTube channel is loaded with other good stuff too. Thanks for the heads-up!

2 notes:

- This looks like a good application for static rope and not a dynamic rope. A fair amount of effort is put into taking the stretch out of that dynamic rope.

- I need to find some cargo pants like that.

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#272512 - 10/27/14 04:16 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: yee]
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The rope he was using appeared to be polypro orange and black truck rope. Non stretch but quite weak compared to a nylon or polyester rope. I have had a rope just like that break simply towing a car with no real strain other than the initial tug to get it rolling on pavement. I also have used an old, worn to the kern, climbing rope that held up to more hard pulling of a vehicle.

I think for a stuck auto, one would want stronger rope than polypro.

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#272515 - 10/27/14 06:23 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: clearwater]
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He described it as old climbing rope.

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#272516 - 10/27/14 07:53 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: Glock-A-Roo]
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Originally Posted By: Glock-A-Roo
Great find, yee. His YouTube channel is loaded with other good stuff too. Thanks for the heads-up!

2 notes:

- This looks like a good application for static rope and not a dynamic rope. A fair amount of effort is put into taking the stretch out of that dynamic rope.

- I need to find some cargo pants like that.


My experience with dynamic rope is that there is a gentle rebound effect once the stretch is pulled out, with very gentle movement of the object in question.

What has been the experience with static rope?
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#272520 - 10/27/14 09:41 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: Russ]
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Originally Posted By: Russ
He described it as old climbing rope.
Nah, note the kinks and it is a laid rope.

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#272522 - 10/27/14 10:07 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: clearwater]
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Maybe so, but at 2:25 he refers to it as a "discarded climbing rope".

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#272530 - 10/28/14 04:36 AM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: clearwater]
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Originally Posted By: clearwater
Originally Posted By: Russ
He described it as old climbing rope.
Nah, note the kinks and it is a laid rope.


I think you guys are each referring to different videos. In the 2 links above, the Norwegian guy is using an old dynamic climbing rope but the Bushcraft Northwest guy is using the cheap laid rope.

When I used to climb big walls and haul 200+ pound haulbags up the cliff, we used a static line for that job since with a dynamic line you put a lot of work into 'hauling out the stretch' before the load moves. It would be even worse when trying to move a car or big tree with the flip-flop windlass.

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#272632 - 10/31/14 12:46 AM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: yee]
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Here is an interesting use of a Spanish windlass (= flip flop winch) from the early days of Yosemite climbing history:

http://www.climbing.com/climber/everyday-hero-5-ordinary-climbers-who-saved-a-life-part3/

A pretty good example of doing a lot with a little...
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#272650 - 10/31/14 04:59 PM Re: field expedient rope winch [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Here is an interesting use of a Spanish windlass (= flip flop winch) from the early days of Yosemite climbing history


Great find, thanks!

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