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#270874 - 07/16/14 09:08 PM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: LCranston]
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I'm actually looking at regular adult kick scooters (Xootr Street, Go-Ped Know-Ped, etc) as they look like they won't aggravate my knees and pack down very small. I just need to find a place in San Diego that rents them before I commit to buying one.
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#271241 - 08/14/14 09:43 PM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: TeacherRO]
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...or a folding bike

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#271638 - 09/11/14 08:31 PM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: TeacherRO]
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Just ran across this, which may be of interest to those folks thinking about bikes as an alternative in large scale disasters. Portland OR is a very bike friendly city. For the last three years Portland has had a bike event called "Disaster Relief Trials".
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The Idea behind the inaugural Disaster Relief trials was twofold; to showcase the impressive capabilities of cargo bicycles/trailers and show the real-world disaster capabilities of bicycles in general. The scenario centered, then as now, around a hypothetical 30 mile round trip supply run on day 4 after a Cascadia Subduction Zone earthquake. This is around the time that the shift from response to recovery would likely have begun, and supplies would be arriving in earnest. In what has become the core components of DRTís nationwide, each rider was tasked with collecting equipment and supplies at multiple destinations, with 100lbs collected per rider over the course. Riders were required to choose their routes to the checkpoints and pickup locations, lash and secure outsize cargo, navigate mandatory obstacles, self-repair, and arrive with all their designated cargo. In the end, all 30 riders split in two classes completed the course, and 3000lbs of cargo was assembled at the start/finish.
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#271639 - 09/11/14 09:59 PM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: AKSAR]
Bingley Offline
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Originally Posted By: AKSAR
For the last three years Portland has had a bike event called "Disaster Relief Trials".


Hey, that looks like fun! I like the video. I wish they'd compare the different cargo bike designs.

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#271640 - 09/11/14 10:35 PM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: AKSAR]
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Fascinating! Were the riders self contained with respect to their consumed water? Were there any normal (not purpose built cargo bikes) participating?

I will tour with about 40-50 lbs of gear (varies with water and food loading)and I can knock out 70-80 miles regularly - but that is in a functioning society, with milk shakes, etc. readily available.....
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#271641 - 09/12/14 12:00 AM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: hikermor]
AKSAR Offline
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Fascinating! Were the riders self contained with respect to their consumed water? Were there any normal (not purpose built cargo bikes) participating?
I don't know anymore about it than what was on the web links. Given that they had to carry 100 lbs of assorted stuff, I suspect that cargo bikes would have a big advantage. It does suggest, however, that experienced (but non messenger) riders such as yourself, using normal touring type gear, could be still be very useful in a disaster scenario. The website does indicate that similar events have been held in other cities, such as Seattle. Perhaps you should look into organizing one in your town? You could include a "touring class".

I did find another link with a lot of photos of the 2013 event. Apparently one guy entered (and finished) with a cargo skateboard!
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#271642 - 09/12/14 02:49 AM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: AKSAR]
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Even a conventional bike could be useful -just load it up and start pushing. The North Vietnamese demonstrated that....
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#271674 - 09/16/14 10:43 PM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: TeacherRO]
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Registered: 11/15/10
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Loc: Maine
That looks like a really cool event...I would love to take part in something like that! Unfortunately I haven't heard about any around here. I don't have a cargo bike, but I have a good touring bike and it wouldn't be hard to attach a trailer for extra capacity.
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#271677 - 09/17/14 02:59 AM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: TeacherRO]
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Registered: 07/11/10
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while visiting a friend's shop the other day, I noticed that he still had a couple of his now adult son's BMX bicycles that are at least 15 years old... rather than a folding bike, what about a seat post extension, and handle bar gooseneck extension to allow one of these short bikes to be ridden in a traditional upright fashion.... with the handlebars stored parallel to the frame, it would not take up much room.. most are very high quality and lightweight.. most of the kids in the BMX competition go through several size upgrades during their careers...

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#271683 - 09/18/14 12:11 AM Re: Bikes, scooters, etc - alt. forms of transpiration [Re: TeacherRO]
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I didn't realize cargo bikes cost thousands of dollars. Is this normal, or have I just stumbled upon a site for a particular sort of consumer?

http://www.metrofiets.com

There's gotta be a cheap version. Plenty of people use bicycle to transport stuff in less wealthy countries without paying thousands in USD. How do they do it?

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