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#268188 - 03/17/14 02:05 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: Deathwind]
AKSAR Offline
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Originally Posted By: Deathwind
The whole save the poor bear at the cost of your own life and limb has gone a bit far IMHO.
Who here has suggested that, if I may ask?
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#268189 - 03/17/14 02:12 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: AKSAR]
Deathwind Offline
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I agree AKSAR. Practice makes perfect. And moving targets under stress take a LOT of practice. Recoil is also a major factor for many people.

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#268190 - 03/17/14 02:14 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: AKSAR]
Deathwind Offline
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No one here has suggested that, but I've talked to some animals rights people who think that.

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#268191 - 03/17/14 02:28 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: AKSAR]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 2913
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: AKSAR
However, in Alaska I see lots of folks out in the woods carrying firearms for bear protection. Anchorage is a relatively small town, and I know some of them and have seen them shoot. Some of them are skilled shots. But far too many of them are probably more likely to hit themselves or their companions than to hit a charging bear. They buy a gun, shoot it now and then, but never really develop any real skill with it. Likewise, a lot of hunters, who may be in fact be adequate shots with a rifle, go buy a 44 Mag or 454 Casull for casual hiking. But they don't shoot it much, but they just know their rifle skills automatically translate to the big handgun. Those folks are without question better off carrying spray, in my opinion.


Handgun is very different from rifle. Furthermore, handgun skills deteriorate rapidly without practice, unlike what I've seen with rifle skills. I hope these people figure it out without having to learn the hard way.

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#268192 - 03/17/14 02:34 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: chaosmagnet]
Deathwind Offline
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we shoot every week. I like watching the little woman out shoot the so called experts and the range cassanovas. No one will bet against her anymore. That helped defray the cost of ammo.

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#268193 - 03/17/14 02:58 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: Deathwind]
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 1384
I wonder whether animal behavior is a factor here. Perhaps it's much worse for a bear to get its sinus, eyes, nose, lungs, etc. irritated, than to be shot? Or perhaps wounding a bear, even fatally, doesn't it make it want to fight less, but irritating the respiratory membranes does? I'm no biologist, so I'm just guessing here, probably saying some ignorant things. But the highly favorable statistics for pepper spray suggests bears really, really don't like sprays. You know, it's like how primates are instinctively afraid of snakes, or how I'm utterly defenseless against pretty girls. Does anyone know more about this (the bear stuff, I mean)?

Has anyone actually suggested a pistol? Maybe Deathwind should check with a gun forum. There are a number of gun enthusiasts here, but we just don't talk about firearms a whole lot.

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#268194 - 03/17/14 03:25 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: Deathwind]
tomfaranda Offline
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Registered: 02/14/08
Posts: 301
Loc: Croton on Hudson, NY
google "bear sense of smell" and the answer to the question of pepper spray or gun is quickly settled.

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#268202 - 03/17/14 05:22 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: Bingley]
haertig Online   content
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Registered: 03/13/05
Posts: 2005
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Bingley
You know, it's like how primates are instinctively afraid of snakes...

Well, that explains why I jump every time I see one!

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#268204 - 03/17/14 05:38 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: Deathwind]
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
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We may have evolved alongside snakes as our big enemy, developing certain physical traits to better avoid becoming snake food.

http://news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=10757
http://www.livescience.com/4183-fear-snakes-drove-pre-human-evolution.html

I remember reading somewhere that most primates are hardwired to fear snakes, and sometimes the wiring just needs activation by an encounter of the slithery type.

Next topic: snake guns -- the Taurus Judge or something else?

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#268205 - 03/17/14 06:39 AM Re: .444 Marlin Caliber Pistol [Re: Bingley]
Deathwind Offline
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Registered: 02/01/14
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Turkeys are afraid of snakes as well. Saw that on another site sometime back. I vote for the judge. Explain our fear of spiders. most people fear one or the other.

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