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#268100 - 03/15/14 10:46 AM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: James_Van_Artsdalen]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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I would be checking some of the larger hangers at Kabul Airport for the missing Malaysian airliner.




2700 miles would be approx 5 hours flight time.


Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (03/15/14 11:46 AM)

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#268101 - 03/15/14 12:23 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
bws48 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
I would be checking some of the larger hangers at Kabul Airport for the missing Malaysian airliner.
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2700 miles would be approx 5 hours flight time.


Just a guess here, but the course shown would have taken it across and near some sensitive border areas of India, e.g. China and Pakistan. I would think these areas would be well covered by Indian Air Defense radars, and a big plane like a 777 would gain some attention.

But stranger things have happened.
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#268102 - 03/15/14 01:26 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: bws48]
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Just a guess here, but the course shown would have taken it across and near some sensitive border areas of India, e.g. China and Pakistan. I would think these areas would be well covered by Indian Air Defense radars, and a big plane like a 777 would gain some attention.


Yes, that is a mystery just as with the Royal Malaysian Air force didn't scramble a fighter jet to confirm the bogie's identity on its military prime RADAR as it passed into the Malacca Straits. A fighter like the SU30 is able to visually confirm by IR an aircraft type the size of a 777 from 60-100 miles away.

Even allies (USA and UK) have threatened to shoot down each others unidentified aircraft in the Persian Gulf. The UK Navy was detecting B2 Stealth aircraft from 150+ miles away and the USAF refused to confirm the aircraft identity until the UK RN threatened to shoot it down with Sea Dart missile.

This information released by the Malaysian authorities today should have been established within the first 24hrs. There still appears to be some deliberate obfuscation going on here.

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#268103 - 03/15/14 02:45 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Peeps in charge of this investigation think they know a lot but they still aren't 100% sure. Obfuscation began when Flight 370 shut down its transponders/comms and turned West. Until the Black Boxes are located on the sea floor by their acoustic pinging the investigators won't know for sure. Speculation only takes you so far and then you need to sit back and rethink -- what is real? They're only part-way through the "what" and "where", and much less than that on the "who" and "why". I think they know "when".

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#268104 - 03/15/14 03:00 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: bws48]
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Just suppose, wild speculation ensues...

Referring to AFLM's map image, IF (really big if) the person at the controls had an ICAO flight plan on file from say Perth to Kabul as a ferinstance, and it was activated when Flt 370 went dark, the "person at the controls" may have received clearance and a new transponder code, and then continued the flight under that new flight plan. By the time the peeps in Malaysia figured out what was happening with Flt 370, the B-777 could have been on the ground at some remote field.

I wonder if the folks in charge of this investigation have checked out every aircraft associated with a flight plan passing through that part of the world to ensure it originated and landed as reported.

Lots of speculation goes quite well with a good mystery. I have this gut feeling that tells me we haven't seen the last of that aircraft.

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#268106 - 03/15/14 03:58 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: Russ]
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More and more curious.



Flight MAS6 at 18.51 UTC on 8th March.

The Malaysian Flight 370 departed from Kuala Lumpur International Airport on 8 March at 00:41 local time (16:41 UTC, 7 March)
A similar Malaysian Airlines aircraft type (Flight MAS6) on a similar track 2 hrs later. Both aircraft would have approximately been in the same area at the same time! Even the bearing was both approx 315 to 325 degrees.

The Kaula Lumpur - Frankurt flight (Flight MAS6) would take it over Kabul region.




Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (03/15/14 04:01 PM)

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#268107 - 03/15/14 04:19 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Russ Offline
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hmmm, I see the speculation isn't as wild as I thought.

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#268108 - 03/15/14 04:56 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
bws48 Offline
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Some additional data. WNYC, using publicly available data, and and assuming a 2200 NM range, found 634 airstrips 5000 feet long available. Interactive map at:
http://project.wnyc.org/runways/?utm_con...campaign=buffer

A lot more than I would have guessed, and some in pretty out of the way places. . .
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#268112 - 03/15/14 06:33 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: bws48]
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This Map Outlines the Last Known Position of the Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight

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Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that the plane bound for China was still flying at 8:11 AM, about seven hours after it took off from Kuala Lumpur and about half an hour after it was expected to land in Beijing. This last data point, from a satellite trying to communicate with the plane, indicates that the 777 was still in the air when it might have been running dangerously low on fuel, raising the possibility that a possible hijacking might have ended with a crash.

The precise location of the flight at 8:11 AM is still a mystery. But officials provided a map (above) that shows the plane's possible location along one of two red semi-circles, based on a "ping" from a satellite orbiting 35,800 kilometers above the Indian Ocean. As you can see, this final data point indicates two possible flight paths: one northwest stretching toward Kazakhstan and another southwest into the Indian Ocean.

The northern flight path is above land, which would raise the odds that officials find the plane or its remnants. But The New York Times points out that it's unlikely that air-defense networks in India, Pakistan, or Afghanistan failed to pick up on a rogue 777. This makes the southern path more likely.

Malaysia failing to scamble jets to intercept an unknown (at that time) bogey might be explained by shear incompetence. The failure of both India and Pakistan (who are in a perpetual state of semi-war) to detect and intercept an unknown bogey is somewhat harder to believe.

My bet is that it is somehwere on the bottom of the sea along the southern arc.
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#268115 - 03/15/14 08:53 PM Re: Lost Malaysian Plane [Re: Ian]
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I'm betting a Navy CT on Diego Garcia knows the answer smile

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