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#267202 - 02/07/14 12:31 AM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: bws48]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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The cyber-terrorists are now using sniper weapons and cutting cables at power stations?


Strange terrorism reporting indeed! Texas based Enron Corp were much more effective in their rolling blackouts/brownout economic terrorism ops in California with the push of a few computer keys a few years back wink


Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (02/07/14 12:31 AM)

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#267204 - 02/07/14 01:00 AM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: chaosmagnet]
Russ Offline
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I don't buy terrorism either unless it was (as has been speculated) a dry run:
* seeing how much damage could be done with a rifle,
* how long it would take,
* What steps are taken to mitigate the damage,
From that one could possibly analyze how much bigger the real attack would need to be in order to achieve whatever goal is planned.

But that's all speculation. As a single act calling this terrorism is a stretch, but cutting fiber cables prior to firing 100 shots "to "methodically" make transformers overheat and shut down" seems like more than a couple yokels out for a hoot. It was well planned apparently with prior knowledge of the substation; I'm surprised they left their brass.

Hope whoever is investigating this has more than 100 pieces of brass.

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#267208 - 02/07/14 09:18 AM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Blast]
Mark_R Offline
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The original story that the WSJ based theirs on

http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/24/power-station-military-assault

I don't think this was a coventional terrorist attack. Eco-terrorist maybe, but blasting away at a single substation that didn't cause a power outage seems fairly ineffective in light of the vulnerabilities exposed by the September 2011 power outage in SoCal.

IMHO, it's too premeditated to be just vandlism. I think it's just one disgruntled individual and not a terrorist dry run.
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#267212 - 02/07/14 05:28 PM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Blast]
Lono Offline
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Terrorism is just a label, the assessment is that if you take down a couple SV or Calf substations at a need for high production, the grid or a big chunk of it fails and can't be brought back up without replacement transformers that aren't there. If the avg electrical engineer agrees with that, then some expense to shield transformers are in order as well as production of replacement transformers to hold in inventory: locate them regionally so they can be trucked to the site of a failure or attack and maintaining the grid in this context may be economically feasible.

Armored doors on cockpits -a debated topic prior to 911 that has lost the sense of being debatable since, every major jet has them now.

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#267213 - 02/07/14 05:53 PM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Lono]
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So all this happened last April....When will the other shoe drop??? These must be exceptionally scholarly, thoughtful ,and methodical "terrorists" indeed....
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#267214 - 02/07/14 06:23 PM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Blast]
Lono Offline
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I resist this continued disclaiming of 'terrorists' because there's no evidence of it - but I do want to point out that current 'terrorists' do recon on potential attack points to the extent possible without detection or any overt connection to terrorist activity, and this was also a modus in the 911 attacks well in advance. Any nut job will recon his objective.The point that the original story made is a vulnerability exists in the electric grid, and hearing from others over the years this is one of many, but a fairly attractive one for attackers.

I work at a software company where our software is under persistent attack, millions of attempts per day, and we put up the equivalent of shields around transformers, detection, hardening etc etc. Its an ongoing process. We don't consider any random attack the result of terrorists, they are attackers plain and simple. To differentiate software from the electrical grid, by far the greatest number of our attackers are out for financial gain, followed by a fair number doing it for kicks. The attack points used today are different than the ones once used, we've put up sufficient mitigations to prevent or deter (by things as simple as raising the costs or chances of detection) most attacks [CORRECTION EDIT: *DON'T USE] the original attack points. Dedicated attackers will up their game and change tactics - they are pretty smart for criminals, smart enough for the software industry and software using industries to incur billions of dollars of risk mitigation against them.

So if the electrical grid is considered as a system vulnerable to attack, any attack from a lone gunman to a conspiracy with an intention to harm the US, you should take seriously the identified vulnerabilities and take a methodical approach to hardening critical infrastructure from future attack. We know the grid is a potential target for terrorists because of intercepted intel - photos and documents for example describing the grid and how to take it down - but we don't know if this is the act of any specific terrorist organization. It shouldn't matter, unless you can connect it to them. This attack sounds a darned sight more feasible than an EMP, but there is probably a long list of vulnerabilities to address, and it may be number 1 or it could be number 244 in severity or system vulnerability. To me the only folly is in an electric industry that resists the costs to mitigate attacks, that sounds foolish. We all do that now, its the cost of doing business in a turbulent world.


Edited by Lono (02/07/14 06:32 PM)

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#267216 - 02/07/14 07:03 PM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Lono]
AKSAR Offline
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There are certainly a lot of puzzling aspects to this. On the one hand it clearly wasn't just a couple of yahoos looking for some fun after a night of drinking. There seems to have been quite a bit of planning involved. Also, someone clearly knew something about the technical aspects of how substations and transformers work, and where to access and cut the fiber optic cables. This suggests either inside knowledge and/or considerable research. All of that, plus the reports that over a hundred rounds were fired suggests that it was probably not a lone individual, but more likely involved several people.

On the other hand, one must ask what was the motive was? If they intended to disable the grid, they failed. One article said that this substation was fairly far down the list of most critical points in the California grid. Apparently there are other substations that if disabled would have a much bigger impact on the electric grid, and would be harder to work around. (For obvious reason the power companies aren't saying which those are.) So why go to all this effort (and risk of being caught) for a relatively low value target?

Some have suggested that it was a dress rehersal for a larger, more devasting attack. To me that also seems a bit puzzling. If one is planning a larger attack, why tip off the target about your methods? As a result of this attack the government and electric utilities will obviously take whatever small steps they can in the short term to make the infrastructure less vulnerable, and increase security at the most critical points. And in the longer term they will likely make bigger steps to harden the system. Any new substations will probably be built with more security in mind. And the FBI is now on the case. While none of this will make it impossible to do a similar, larger attack, it will become more difficult with a greater risk of getting caught.

All in all very puzzling.
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#267220 - 02/08/14 03:48 AM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: AKSAR]
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I wonder if the attack was specifically done as part of a message to someone/some agency. You know, like a warning shot followed or preceded by an actual message. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot more information that wasn't released to the public.

What was happening last April that might make someone want to tell the USA to "back off"?

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#267333 - 02/13/14 04:37 AM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Blast]
Arney Offline
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If the attack itself was not particularly effective, perhaps that wasn't the intent. Heck, perhaps some "security consultant" who could charge the utility a lot of money for a security audit of their facilities is drumming up business without causing any significant disruptions and without getting caught?

I read one report that said the shots were placed in such a way to avoid causing any immediate fires or sparks from the transformers, and just create holes to drain the oil inside. That way, drivers along the freeway in the distance would be less likely to notice anything and call the authorities.

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#267341 - 02/13/14 02:18 PM Re: Targeted attack on California Power Substation [Re: Blast]
LesSnyder Offline
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Registered: 07/11/10
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Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
Russ... I deleted as you requested... but if that scenario has not been anticipated by Homeland Security then I need a refund of all of my income tax money....


Edited by LesSnyder (02/13/14 11:30 PM)

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