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#265858 - 12/17/13 03:14 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: chaosmagnet]
Russ Offline
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I like the AMK Trauma Kit The addition of QuikClot significantly helps stem serious bleeders and if you're on your own stopping blood loss before you pass out from blood loss should be fairly high on your priority list.
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#265859 - 12/17/13 03:16 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: Lono]
MDinana Offline
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Originally Posted By: Lono
Originally Posted By: MDinana
Originally Posted By: hikermor
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CPR success rates of 30% are, IIRC, in-hospital only. Closer to 5-10% traditionally in the street. Highly dependent on time to CPR and first shock. Some of the "push only" CPR rates look better, but time will tell.



Lono, you have a source to back up that figure?


Why sure - http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/news/2013/13090401.aspx

The 2013 figure is a 57% survival rate in King County. The 2013 EMS Annual Report gives a good indication of how this is done.



Thanks Lono.

I know King Co. and Miami-Dade Co. are big in the EMS fields. Amazing to see those results. I notice though that there's a large community push to CPR and something like 2800 AED's out in the area. Undoubtedly this contributes (and probably reinforces the ARC recommendations on AED's) . I don't know how feasible it is in other parts of the country, but nonetheless, great results.

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#265867 - 12/17/13 05:50 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: TeacherRO]
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Yeah, it definitely takes a village, or a commitment to ALS and AEDs, or the whole chain of efforts in the Medic One documents. Yet for all the AEDs King County is a pretty large place, so I reckon a similar effort in Alabama or LA should yield similar results. The effort is worthwhile I think - if you start CPR knowing that another responder will be running for an AED, and ALS or BLS are coming within 4-8 minutes on a good day, and you have a better than even shot at resuscitating this person and their walking out of the hospital alive, you change your attitude and no longer think of the 5 or 10 percent long shots to survival. That's especially important for saving family members lives, when I don't want the long odds in the back of my mind.

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#265868 - 12/17/13 06:07 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: Russ]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Originally Posted By: Russ
I like the AMK Trauma Kit The addition of QuikClot significantly helps stem serious bleeders and if you're on your own stopping blood loss before you pass out from blood loss should be fairly high on your priority list.


I prefer Combat Gauze, and there's no tourniquet. It comes with the components to make a pressure bandage, which is slower than using a pre-made one.

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#265894 - 12/18/13 02:12 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: TeacherRO]
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I have a question to the PMs/first responders. Guy is down with an MI, CPR is performed, he gets to hospital and is brought back to life. What is the average life expectancy after that - if anyone knows and/or has tracked that stat? Just wondering.

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#265898 - 12/18/13 02:21 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: JBMat]
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Originally Posted By: JBMat
I have a question to the PMs/first responders. Guy is down with an MI, CPR is performed, he gets to hospital and is brought back to life. What is the average life expectancy after that - if anyone knows and/or has tracked that stat? Just wondering.


The survival rate with only CPR is about 12% and 60% with CPR and AED in my area. Don't know the survival numbers starting from the ER.
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#265900 - 12/18/13 04:40 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: JBMat]
MDinana Offline
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Originally Posted By: JBMat
I have a question to the PMs/first responders. Guy is down with an MI, CPR is performed, he gets to hospital and is brought back to life. What is the average life expectancy after that - if anyone knows and/or has tracked that stat? Just wondering.
Too many variables.

Why did his heart stop? How long without O2/CPR? Any reperfusion injuries? Did he need to get a stent (or a bypass, or some other major intervention) to keep from repeating? How's his cardiac function afterwards? Is he compliant with medical treatment for the next 40 years? How old was he to start with?

Best case scenario, a young person, in good physical condition, with a random arrythmia, and early CPR, has a chance for a normal life span. worst case, some obese guy with a bad heart and cholesterol, smokes, needs a triple bypass, could be dead 5 years later. The big question is, are those "bonus" years?

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#265913 - 12/18/13 08:21 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: TeacherRO]
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Thanks for the answers. Just something that popped into my head. And MD, I hear ya re" best/worst cases.

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#265987 - 12/21/13 08:24 PM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: TeacherRO]
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Without CPR the Success Rate would be 0%
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#266011 - 12/23/13 12:32 AM Re: Beginner First Aid [Re: TeacherRO]
JPickett Offline
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Loc: Missouri
Bruce, you go right to the point! We may not save every life, but we do save Some lives.

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