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#262786 - 08/24/13 01:14 AM Re: Signal Mirror Backpacker What's Wrong w/ the Pics? [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Doug_Ritter Offline

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Originally Posted By: Jeanette_Isabelle


This begs a question. If we can't see what is wrong, how well would we do if our lives depend on how well we use a signal mirror?

Jeanette Isabelle


Good question.... blush

Okay, so here's the issue, and it's a pretty common mistake found in many such instructions in various articles and survival manuals over the years.

The clear area in the middle of the aimer is there to allow you to easier locate the target. However, the fireball can only be seen where there is an edge of retro-reflective material. In a mesh design, or one with punched holes, etc, that is only within or at the edge of the mesh. With the StarFlash style, it is only at the edge of the star.

You have to move the mirror so the target is within the mesh area or at the edge of the star to make it work.

The fireball can never be seen in the clear area in the middle of the aimer.

So, they sorta, kinda, almost started out right in illustration #2, but #3 and #4 are impossible.

See the instructions here for a more realistic example of how it really works: http://www.dougritter.com/psp_rescueflash.htm
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#262789 - 08/24/13 01:52 AM Re: Signal Mirror Backpacker What's Wrong w/ the Pics? [Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Somehow I have been using a signal mirror for several decades without being aware of this distinction. Would this error prevent someone from successfully using these instructions and a signal mirror to attract attention?
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#262802 - 08/24/13 07:53 AM Re: Signal Mirror Backpacker What's Wrong w/ the Pics? [Re: hikermor]
rafowell Offline
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Registered: 11/29/09
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Somehow I have been using a signal mirror for several decades without being aware of this distinction. Would this error prevent someone from successfully using these instructions and a signal mirror to attract attention?


While the error won't help, if the user finds and maintains track of the bright spot, they should do okay - if they "hunt" for it when they lose it in the center, they should find it again, since any motion of the mirror pulls the "bright spot" back out of the hole to the edge of the retroreflective annulus.

You can see what Doug is talking about in this YouTube video in the segment from 00:40-00:51, where the "bright spot" (red, in this case) momentarily disappears a few times when the mirror bobbles enough to head the "bright spot" towards center, at which point it disappears, but since any tilt after that brings it towards the edge of the hole again, it gets picked up.

(If you want to see this full screen or the like, here's the link to the original YouTube video: DIY Signal Mirror



It is some help to let students know that they should pass the very center of the bright spot across the target, since the "bright spot" is about triple the width of the main beam.

There was some confusion in some of these posts as to whether the diagram was depicting the "bright spot" or the sun itself - not too surprisingly, because the "bright spot" is an image of the sun. One nice thing about the red aimers - it is easy to tell a red "bright spot" from the sun.

Here's a photo I took of the (white) "Bright Spot" that makes it clear the "bright spot" is not the sun, since my hand is in the way:



Here's a photo showing the "bright spot' at the edge of the mesh, as Doug was talking about (and again - that isn't the sun, it is the "bright spot" - the sun is to the right of the photo scene):

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#262819 - 08/24/13 06:04 PM Re: Signal Mirror Backpacker What's Wrong w/ the Pics? [Re: Doug_Ritter]
Burncycle Offline
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GAH I knew the answer but saw the thread too late!!!

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