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#258855 - 04/11/13 02:08 AM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: TeacherRO]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking


A little too heavy for me, anything over 50-60lbs becomes a major struggle and weight distribution i.e. a good backpack with a excellent back system combined with a Webbing system such as PLCE would be the way to go. i.e. 20lbs on the webbing and 40lbs in the ruck.

But of course a lot depends on the individual. This guy who came up with this INCH bag list may well have a girl friend who can help with carrying some of the gear.

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#258856 - 04/11/13 02:16 AM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Bingley Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
But of course a lot depends on the individual. This guy who came up with this INCH bag list may well have a girl friend who can help with carrying some of the gear.


Hmm, I see. Looks like she can carry some weight for me. I love a healthy woman.

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#258858 - 04/11/13 05:10 AM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: TeacherRO]
Pete Offline
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Registered: 02/20/09
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50 pounds is heavy for a pack - you lose a lot of mobility and put a lot of stress and strain on your body. I aim for nothing heavier than 30 pounds. Incidentally, I cant begin to imagine why anybody could possibly want 1300 rnds of ammo unless they plan on fighting WW3.

I realize our SF soldiers can carry these enormous loads. But I always thought it was tremendously counterproductive to order them to so it. They should elect me general. I'd tell them to throw out 50% of their stuff ... more if possible. Take only the bare essentials and move on !!

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#258862 - 04/11/13 06:48 AM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: Pete]
jzmtl Offline
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Loc: Montreal Canada
Originally Posted By: Pete


I realize our SF soldiers can carry these enormous loads.


But how much of the population is even half as fit as those guys? Try the USMC fitness test.

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#258865 - 04/11/13 11:59 AM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: Pete]
hikermor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Pete
But I always thought it was tremendously counterproductive to order them to so it. They should elect me general. I'd tell them to throw out 50% of their stuff ... more if possible. Take only the bare essentials and move on !!

Pete2


Soldiers have been lightening their loads as soon as they were outside the wire since the beginning of time, I strongly suspect. The thing is to determine what weight works for YOU and within that limit strive to concoct the ideal mix of gear that will serve your purpose.

When I was active in SAR I went through this process. One of my companions weighed my pack at the end of an operation; it came out at 41 pounds, a weight I was able to handle routinely. That was then and this is now. I am a good deal older and my packs are lighter and the trips are less demanding. You still need to strike that ideal balance between weight and utility, stripping away all the useless junk. Mostly this takes time and real eperience in the field.
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#258875 - 04/11/13 05:19 PM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: TeacherRO]
spuds Offline
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Registered: 06/24/12
Posts: 822
Loc: SoCal Mtns
Snake Dr,I dont think I could even lift that much ammo,what does it weigh??If I was heading out permanent,on my BACK,I could see the .22,but rifle rounds are HEAVY.

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#261967 - 07/20/13 07:14 PM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: TeacherRO]
TeacherRO Offline
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Registered: 03/11/05
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I'm a big believer in test and train - to see if your gear and plan will really work in an emergency.

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#261994 - 07/21/13 05:41 PM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: TeacherRO]
BruceZed Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Canada
A reasonable upper limit to your pack weight is based on 1/3 of your weight and in a pinch 1/2 your weight. Understand packs at that weight you will move very slow and will burn a huge amount of calories. It is useless unless you have to move a short distant. No 160km/100mile E&E with a pack like that.

It is true in the army packs often got heavier, but mostly just before an attack when extra ammo was issued or for the unfortunate radio man. Carrying this weight is also something that required a high level of fitness, lots of training, and a whole lot of drive! normally with heavy weapons we traded off when possible and shift platoon gear around to even the load.

In the arctic my pack was always that heavy, but we never got more that 12km on foot in a day and at -40 we were reduced to 15min Walking followed by a 2min break to cool back down, instead of our normal 55min forced march and a 5min break.

Conditions, Fitness, and the Situation will dictate what you can Carry in what circumstances. Be realistic and if you want to carry that heavy of a weight in a pinch, them add 4kg/10lbs to the total weight and go out an practice with it and see how far you can go!
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#262000 - 07/22/13 12:01 PM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: BruceZed]
nursemike Offline
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Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 774
Loc: wellington, fl
We should probably be encouraging heavy packs.

Since survival at INCH conditions may be a competitive sport, I would prefer that all of the competition be carrying 95# weight handicaps, while I dance along with my drpsk, tiny knife, and ramen noodles.


Edited by nursemike (07/22/13 12:02 PM)
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#262011 - 07/22/13 03:35 PM Re: 95 pound pack? More MUSHY thinking [Re: spuds]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2183
Loc: Deep south... Carolina
Originally Posted By: spuds
1300 rounds????Thats nutz!

1300 of 22 maybe????? Thats about 10 lbs.

4-6 lbs per 100 for rifle calibers. 52 to 78 lbs !!!

Add rifle(s) and magazines......

Add some twinkies,2 packs of Ramen,2 bandaids and a compass....he's done!

Yeah, definitely need to see the round. A 30-round magazine of 5.56 is 1 lbs, so you're looking at ... 43 lbs? Ammo alone? (for an AR platform). If you're talking 30-06 or something that size, definitely heavier.
I mean, if you're using it, your load is going to lighten, but you'll be a big target and probably won't get past that first magazine.

You'll make someone a nice cache, though.

So speaking of acronyms, what's MUSHY?


Edited by MDinana (07/22/13 03:36 PM)

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