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#26080 - 03/21/04 06:57 PM Broadband Over Power Lines.
Anonymous
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I found this post at another board that I visit. I was wandering if anyone knew anything about this?

Thanks
Wayneburg
Quote:

It's called Broadband Over Power Line BPL.
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/03/18/100/?nc=1

Companies will be able to send you power, highspeed internet,
telephone and tv all in one package using the exsisting power grid
that is spread all across the country.

I'll cut straight to the pros and cons. Pay special attention to
the cons.

PROS:
-You can get 4 services on one cable: power, telephone, tv, and
highspeed internet access.
-Initially one lower bill to pay since all of the services are
bundled into one company.
-Less cables and wires to run and hook up.

CONS:
-BPL uses Radio Frequencies RF that jams frequencies that are used
by police, EMS, fire departments, rescue workers, military, some
government agencies, amateur radio frequencies, cordless phones, etc.
-RF at certain power levels can cause burns and other radiation
related afflictions in humans, wildlife and vegetation. Possibility
for causing wildfires exsists.
-Because all these services are bundled into one company it can make
for a monoply, which in the long run will not be good for the
consumer, effectively canceling out the second PRO listed above.
-For those that are paranoid: Highspeed internet access is always
on or activated. That is how it is today. But today it is only
connected to your computer. When BPL is put in place every
electrical device you have will be connected and anyone can gather
information about them and you. This also opens new doors for
hackers. If you have a security system connected to the BPL power
grid then it will literally open new doors for hackers. If you have
anything with a video camera or microphone connected to the BPL
power grid...
-THE BIGGEST CON OF THEM ALL
When BPL is put in place every single one of the cons listed above
will effect you even if you don't use BPL, EVEN IF YOU ARE OFF-THE-
GRID. CON 1 will effect the wireless communications of you and your
local public services, CON 2 will effect you physically, CON 3 will
effect your economy, CON 4 will effect your community... you do plan
on going into town don't you?

Visit the link I listed above for a better understanding of what is
coming. In some ways it is already here. Don't get me wrong I love
all the pros listed above, but not at the cost of all the cons.



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#26081 - 03/21/04 08:08 PM Re: Broadband Over Power Lines.
Anonymous
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They did some tests with Progress Energy in my home area. There is interference with a multitude of communications, but the power companies are trying hard to push this through.
Austria banned it due to interference with emergency communications.

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#26082 - 03/23/04 01:57 PM Re: Broadband Over Power Lines.
ki4buc Offline
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
The ARRL (American Radio Relay League) has a whole bunch of technical stuff on their website here . More than you'd ever want to know.

It's a neat technology, with a flawed specification. Normal AC current in the U.S. is 60Hz. One little slice of the huge electromagnetic spectrum. Easy enough to avoid. With BPL, multitudes of frequencies are used, their distribution depends on the BPL technology used, resulting in a splatter effect.
A HomePlug conformant in-building BPL system actually has "holes" in it's specification to prevent interference to amateur radio (and probably other government HF operations).

A whole slew of entities haven't just said no, they've said... well, you know... <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> We'll see in the future if the FCC is more concerned about money, or radio interference to existing licensed users.

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#26083 - 03/24/04 01:02 AM Re: Broadband Over Power Lines.
DBAGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/02/04
Posts: 165
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
Quote:
When BPL is put in place every
electrical device you have will be connected and anyone can gather
information about them and you


1) All PCs should have a firewall and anti-virus software. Otherwise you are not only looking for trouble, you have just done the equivalent of punching the obnoxious neighborhood bully

2) If you have a wireless LAN, you should have encryption on, or you are transmitting your info across the neighborhood

3) only appliances that actually have some measure of 'intelligence' can actually respond to requests for information. The coffee pot will just be as dumb tomorrow as it is today.
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#26084 - 03/27/04 03:11 PM Re: Broadband Over Power Lines.
aardwolfe Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 924
Loc: St. John's, Newfoundland
Yeah, but what if I WANT to turn on my coffee-pot from my office computer before I leave work, so it'll be fresh and piping hot for me when I walk in the door? What if I'm working late and I want to tell the home heating system not to turn up the thermostat at 5:00 like it usually does, but wait until I'm ready to leave work?

Once the capability is in place, someone will start trying to market it. Historically, people have come up with these wonderful ideas for new technology without any thought being given to the security or privacy implications. (The recent furore over cameras in cellular phones being used to invade privacy and steal PIN numbers comes to mind.)

Don't get me wrong, I think the person who ranted this rant is more than a little paranoid. But it would be a mistake to assume that no one will ever want to buy a remotely programmable coffee maker or thermostat once the technology is available, or to assume that Procter & Gamble will design it with adequate security precautions (unless they're forced to).
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#26085 - 03/27/04 04:01 PM Re: Broadband Over Power Lines.
AyersTG Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
I can already do those things and have been able to for a long time. Even have some of the hardware lying around here in a box somewhere... it's been available off-the-shelf for such a long time that it goes back to Apple IIe / Commodore 64 era. I tried some of it out back in the early 80s and it just didn't trip my trigger. What's available now off-the-shelf is capable of a much wider range of "control".

I agree with your overall assessment.

Regards,

Tom

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