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#243831 - 03/27/12 01:10 AM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: ireckon]
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Theft as a factor probably diminishes as you get deeper into the woods. Once you are beyond the reach of wheeled vehicles and crowds, it isn't a significant problem.
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#243832 - 03/27/12 01:35 AM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Theft as a factor probably diminishes as you get deeper into the woods. Once you are beyond the reach of wheeled vehicles and crowds, it isn't a significant problem.
I agree with this statement. The main issue I have seen with theft is cars getting broken into at trailheads, while the owners are back in the woods. These tend to be smash and grab thefts, where the thieves are mostly interested in high value items that can be readily fenced.

Edit: My observation is that most people who would be inclined to steal your gear are generally a pretty lazy bunch. They aren't the sort of folks who are likely to walk more than a few yards from their vehicle and beer supply.


Edited by AKSAR (03/27/12 01:47 AM)
Edit Reason: added observation
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#243833 - 03/27/12 01:59 AM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: Frisket]
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I don't think caliber, or for that matter gun possession, matters a whole lot when it comes to theft, which I understand as stealing without drawing the attention of others. In fact, guns, being valuable, can often be the target of a thief. There is nothing you can do about theft if you can't or don't notice it. Likewise, a skilled burglar can enter and leave your house without getting noticed, sometimes with you sleeping soundly through it.

Regrettably (or maybe not so regrettably?), because of the easy access to firearms, the American criminal no longer even tries to perfect or even acquire these Old World skills: pickpocketing, long cons, cat burglaries, etc. Why take years to train under a possibly exploitative and abusive master who always demands a cut, when you can just rob someone by force with a gun and keep all the profit yourself? You may not even be able to get these skills unless you go abroad. That's just not worth it.

As moderator, I would encourage people to stay on topic. While political-social critique is not strictly prohibited, that which verges on political speech is.

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Edited by Hikin_Jim (03/27/12 03:17 AM)
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#243838 - 03/27/12 02:59 AM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Theft as a factor probably diminishes as you get deeper into the woods. Once you are beyond the reach of wheeled vehicles and crowds, it isn't a significant problem.


For brick and mortar breed filth and crime,
With a pulse of evil that throbs and beats;
And men are withered before their prime
By the curse paved in with the lanes and streets.

And lungs are poisoned and shoulders bowed,
In the smothering reek of mill and mine;
And Death stalks in on the struggling crowd—
But he shuns the shadow of oak and pine.

NESSMUK.
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#243841 - 03/27/12 03:20 AM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Theft as a factor probably diminishes as you get deeper into the woods. Once you are beyond the reach of wheeled vehicles and crowds, it isn't a significant problem.
That's been my observation too. At trailheads and campgrounds, I worry some, but in the backcountry, not at all.

Of the reasons people get separated from their gear in the backcountry, human action ranks very far down on the list.

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#243844 - 03/27/12 03:43 AM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: Frisket]
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There are lots of scenarios that can "separate" you from your backpack. Being pinned under a boulder is one of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYrqs3wh3QQ

Although this guy may not have survived with a PSK alone and was lucky to have met the other backpacker , but the sudden unexpected mishap that happened to him shows us how ANYTHING can happen while outdoors and you find yourself unable to access your bag even if it was a few yards away from you.

It is very possible that a guy like this one goes to have a leak at midnight, gets attacked by a bear or something or breaks an ankle and gets injured or disoriented in the dark , and has to wait till morning to see his way back to camp. Not a bad idea to wear a fanny pack type of PSK when moving around at night.

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#243864 - 03/27/12 02:22 PM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: Phaedrus]
Snake_Doctor
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Thats where a hanging lantern or glowstick marking camp is a big help in finding your way back. Or going BEFORE you crawl in your bag for the night. But who does that anymore? Or thinks to take even an altoids tin on a bathroom run?

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#243865 - 03/27/12 02:50 PM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: ireckon]
Snake_Doctor
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It shouldn't be. Firearms are survival tools as well. It's a shame that the rampant paranoia here makes the subject verbotten. For many of us here they are EDC. I would no more leave home without my >45 than my wallet, cell, knife and lighter.

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#243866 - 03/27/12 02:52 PM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: hikermor]
Snake_Doctor
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But I still take my pack and boots into my tent at night, no matter how remote, hiker. I have heard of animals hauling off a boot leaving one lonely one behind.


Edited by Snake_Doctor (03/27/12 02:57 PM)

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#243871 - 03/27/12 04:47 PM Re: The Survival Situation and how you Lose your Gear [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Snake_Doctor
Thats where a hanging lantern or glowstick marking camp is a big help in finding your way back. Or going BEFORE you crawl in your bag for the night. But who does that anymore? Or thinks to take even an altoids tin on a bathroom run?


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