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#241536 - 02/20/12 04:24 PM Re: MUST READ: ANTICIPATING HUMAN BEHAVIOR... [Re: Bingley]
wileycoyote Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bingley
Originally Posted By: wileycoyote
so if my memory is right, then this is an incorrect example when accusing Hollywood (and an "exaggeration", exactly what the author's thesis was complaining about regarding others), thus brings into question any other statements made by the author.


The author might have unintentionally misremembered the scene. He might have intentionally exaggerated. Or perhaps your memory isn't what it used to be. But even if the author was incorrect in his summary of the movie, the point still stands that movies tend to sensationalize disasters, and many people without any prior acquaintance of disasters get their impression from popular media.

I agree that exaggeration has no place in good research, but your particular criticism, even if valid, does not affect the truth of the larger claim. Anyone of us can easily think of a large number of disaster movies that exaggerate out of proportion.

Now, if some of the larger claims made in the chapter are wrong, I'd love to hear them for the sake of my own preparation. I don't think one slip up automatically means the rest is junk.



why am i making an issue of this, and why did i BOLD the use of the word "exaggeration" in my post?
because the author's title of his/her own paper is making a point that such a practice is unacceptable behavior:

ANTICIPATING HUMAN BEHAVIOR IN DISASTERS
Myths, Exaggerations, and Realities


i never said the rest of the article was "junk", just that if my memory of that scene is correct, then everything else in it should be viewed with a suspect perspective until proven correct.

if memory isn't what it used to be and i am incorrect, i was hoping that someone here could set me straight, thus allowing me to feel better about accepting the other premises in the paper.

nor did i in anyway imply that movies should be used as training tools. and if some people believe what they see in dramatic action thriller movies is real, well, you can't fix stupid.

the difference is that movies like Volcano are FICTION, almost always "exaggerated out of proportion" for entertainment-purposes-only, whereas the article is being offered as NON-FICTION and is suppose to contain facts.

and yes, i believe if a single invalid claim is made in a serious research paper, then all other information contained within should be viewed with some suspicion.

so, again i ask everyone here: is my memory correct?




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#241540 - 02/20/12 04:56 PM Re: MUST READ: ANTICIPATING HUMAN BEHAVIOR... [Re: wileycoyote]
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Originally Posted By: wileycoyote
and yes, i believe if a single invalid claim is made in a serious research paper, then all other information contained within should be viewed with some suspicion.


I agree with this to a certain extent, but one holds something in suspicion with the goal of testing it, checking out the claims to ascertain the overall worth. Are we doing that? Critical thinking is a good thing, but if we don't follow through, then we're doing the very opposite of critical thinking: we'd be suspecting something for the sake of suspecting it, without giving it due thought.

Your charge really is that the author might be sloppy and careless. One point doesn't show that. It may just be an innocent mistake, especially if it has no impact on his larger argument. It would be of benefit to those of us reading this if someone could point out examples of carelessness that matter crucially.

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#241541 - 02/20/12 05:28 PM Re: MUST READ: ANTICIPATING HUMAN BEHAVIOR... [Re: Bingley]
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Originally Posted By: Bingley
Originally Posted By: wileycoyote
and yes, i believe if a single invalid claim is made in a serious research paper, then all other information contained within should be viewed with some suspicion.


I agree with this to a certain extent, but one holds something in suspicion with the goal of testing it, checking out the claims to ascertain the overall worth. Are we doing that? Critical thinking is a good thing, but if we don't follow through, then we're doing the very opposite of critical thinking: we'd be suspecting something for the sake of suspecting it, without giving it due thought.

Your charge really is that the author might be sloppy and careless. One point doesn't show that. It may just be an innocent mistake, especially if it has no impact on his larger argument. It would be of benefit to those of us reading this if someone could point out examples of carelessness that matter crucially.



i whole-heartedly agree. well said! better than i had tried to say it. that was all i was suggesting: if indeed i found an error, it might be a good idea for everyone else here to pipe-in should they discover more.

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