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#239952 - 01/23/12 07:25 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: TeacherRO]
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I have a variety of wool clothing and fleece along with other synthetics like polypro. I have used them all in all sorts of conditions. I always end up more comfortable in wool.

I think that wool or other natural clothing has a wider range of comfort than any of the synthetics. I can wear wool and it can be relatively warm and I am comfortable or it can be cold and my wool will keep me warm. The synthetics are less comfortable when it is warm, like indoors for a period of time and they are more uncomfortable in the cold because they promote perspiration, like putting plastic next to the skin.

A mix works well, light merino next to the skin and heavier wool or fleece layers next. A good windshell is necessary with either.
I find it easier to regulate my body heat with wool than with fleece. The wool breathes better to me. Fleece tends to let cold air in when it is windy and requires that wind shell more often.

I was out in s snowy, windy day this weekend and on top I had a polypro light shirt, a nylon shirt and a Polartec 300 jacket with pitzips and a mid-weight wind shell. On my lower body I had a light pair of merino wool underwear and a pair of 5.11 Taclite Pro pants. I was comfortable. I think I would have been equally as comfortable with a light merino top, a wool sweater, wool scarf and a windshell. It seemed to take more synthetic to keep me warm and it also made me hot with little activity. Wool would have been comfortable over a wider temp and activity range. If that makes sense.
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#239954 - 01/23/12 08:18 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: ]
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If you like the 5.11 Taclite Pro pants (I was wearing Royal Robbin's 5.11's before the FBI made them popular), try RailRiders VersaTac-Mid Pant. A layer of wool underneath and you're good to go cold.
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#239958 - 01/23/12 09:35 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: ]
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For warmer climates they have the same pant in a lighter weight nylon -- VersaTac-light Pant
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#239962 - 01/23/12 11:53 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: ]
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Back to the topic -- For those who don't like wool but are concerned with polyester fleece incompatibility with camp fires, check out the flame resistant Nomex at Massif. Not cheap, way far from cheap, but good stuff.
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#239984 - 01/24/12 02:21 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: Russ]
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Even better IMHO are the Versatac-Ultra-Light-Pants. Wearing mine right now and I love them.

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#239986 - 01/24/12 02:46 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: clearwater]
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Originally Posted By: clearwater
Wool dangerous in cold weather water sports.

Almost lost a scoutmaster when his layers of Filson wool
drug him to the bottom in a canoeing flip.

Also heavy wool layers leave rafters floating much lower
when out of the raft. They hit more rocks and inhale more
water.

The stuff doesn't dry for a loooong time too.

Polypro adds buoyancy.



Heavy "filson" sweathers have very little in common with merino wool termal underwear. Which is worn by every single kayaker I know. Any description I've read so far on how to dress for cold water sports include wool underwear, be it in conjunction with dry suits, wet suits or with ordinary clothing.

I have trouble seeing how buoancy is much of an issue when used with PDF's (Personal flotation devices, a.k.a. life west). That being said, the heavy "filson" sweater is best used at the camp fire.


Edited by MostlyHarmless (01/24/12 07:08 PM)

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#239994 - 01/24/12 04:31 PM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: ]
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Note that Nomex is pretty much standard attire for wild land fires these days.
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#240045 - 01/25/12 03:30 AM Re: Is fleece the new wool? [Re: TeacherRO]
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