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#237212 - 12/11/11 04:54 AM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Susan]
Hikin_Jim Offline
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Originally Posted By: Susan
Is it that some guys have too much testosterone and not enough brain cells?
Hey! If I had enough brain cells to understand, I'd be offended. wink

Seriously though, Sue, yes, you've got a valid point but ease up just a bit on the guy bashing. Rumor has it that some of the members on this forum are guys...

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#237219 - 12/11/11 07:58 AM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Doug_Ritter]
NuggetHoarder Offline
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Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 145
Loc: Appalachians
"The will to survive" is a big part of this story. It sounds like the wife gave up. May her soul rest in peace. I don't fault her for wanting to give up. She lived a long purposeful life of 82 years and was facing the agony of frostbite and a long struggle to crawl out of the wilderness. I don't know that I would give up 20 feet from the car, but I understand it. I just hope her family can come to grips with it and be at peace.

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#237250 - 12/12/11 04:20 AM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Hikin_Jim]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Removed the sheriff.
Good grief...


Edited by Blast (12/13/11 12:07 AM)

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#237253 - 12/12/11 05:10 AM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Susan]
hikermor Offline
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
Truth be told, Susan, probably plenty of us on this forum have done lots of incredibly dumb things. I don't believe you have to pass any kind of test to post on ETS.
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#237261 - 12/12/11 02:52 PM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Doug_Ritter]
bigreddog Offline
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Registered: 07/02/06
Posts: 253
Easy to judge with hindsight- in this case I suggest it was agenuine misjudgement rather than stupidity and terribly unfortunate. Even those of us who pack some kit don't always have enough to get octogenarians through 5 days in a snowstorm.

I'd salute his courage and extend my sympathies.

As regards the gender bias - all I can tell ypu is that I am a man who preps (not as well as I should but still...) and have a wife, mother and sister who don't.

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#237264 - 12/12/11 04:05 PM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: hikermor]
Denis Offline
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Registered: 01/09/09
Posts: 631
Loc: Calgary, AB
Originally Posted By: hikermor
I would like to think that we can ponder tragic situations of this type without dissing the unfortunate participants.

For some reason I still hold this seemingly misguided notion that ETS is a civilized corner of the internet and yet consistently posters her seem to thrive off of denigrating anyone who is unprepared or makes bad decisions. For that matter, it seems like dying in the wild is enough to bring down the vitriol of some, regardless of the evidence (or lack there of) of their personal culpability in causing the personal disaster; assumptions and caricatures often suffice in these cases.

Like you, I thought the point of bringing up these cases was to learn from these situations so that we can manage risk better, keeping ourselves and those we are with safer. Kicking people when they are down is not only crass, but it does nothing in achieving this goal.
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#237266 - 12/12/11 04:41 PM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Denis]
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Registered: 01/28/01
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+1 What Denis, JHikemor an Jim said. Let's focus on lessons learned and debating issues, not name-calling and rude or snide remarks. If you cannot be civil, please find someplace else to post.

Originally Posted By: Denis
Originally Posted By: hikermor
I would like to think that we can ponder tragic situations of this type without dissing the unfortunate participants.

For some reason I still hold this seemingly misguided notion that ETS is a civilized corner of the internet and yet consistently posters her seem to thrive off of denigrating anyone who is unprepared or makes bad decisions. For that matter, it seems like dying in the wild is enough to bring down the vitriol of some, regardless of the evidence (or lack there of) of their personal culpability in causing the personal disaster; assumptions and caricatures often suffice in these cases.

Like you, I thought the point of bringing up these cases was to learn from these situations so that we can manage risk better, keeping ourselves and those we are with safer. Kicking people when they are down is not only crass, but it does nothing in achieving this goal.
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#237274 - 12/12/11 05:39 PM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: NightHiker]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: NightHiker
It's also worth keeping in mind that it's really easy for the friends & family of people involved with the incidents we discuss to stumble across Doug's site.

In my recent post "They ran towards the gunfire" about the mass shooting at that hair salon in Seal Beach, California, one of the participants did read about it here on ETS and even signed up to respond! So, people really do read what we say.

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#237276 - 12/12/11 05:45 PM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: Denis]
UrbanKathy Offline
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Registered: 09/01/09
Posts: 43
Loc: Queens, NYC
Amen! I've been around for a couple of years, but don't post much because of my inexperience. But I always marvel at the experience, creativity, and advice on this site. I do learn an awful lot.

I've sent 4 or 5 people here who really could learn quite a bit, too. However, 2 of them said they would never return. One woman said too many here are unforgiving of mistakes, and a gentleman called it a site for "self-aggrandizing narcissists" after reading some vitriolic comments. Ouch!
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#237278 - 12/12/11 05:54 PM Re: New Mexico man recounts mountain ordeal [Re: UrbanKathy]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3819
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: UrbanKathy
I've sent 4 or 5 people here who really could learn quite a bit, too. However, 2 of them said they would never return. One woman said too many here are unforgiving of mistakes, and a gentleman called it a site for "self-aggrandizing narcissists" after reading some vitriolic comments. Ouch!


We the moderators are going to be taking a harder line with the unpleasantness.


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