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#198032 - 03/15/10 05:50 AM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: NobodySpecial]
scafool Offline
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Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
Originally Posted By: NobodySpecial

Good point - there has never been a documented case of a wolf kill = the wolves ate all the witnesses!

Yup.
There was also the 2005 wolf attack in Saskatchewan that killed Kenton Joel Carnegie.
People argued about whether the wolves killed him too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenton_Joel_Carnegie_wolf_attack

Not everything in the woods is Bambi innocent.
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#198061 - 03/15/10 02:52 PM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: Compugeek]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1065
Loc: Channeled Scablands
They reported that the wolves tore out her throat while she
was alive.

Any apex predator that is allowed to roam freely near humans
and their domestic animals will eventually prey on those.
They also learn very quickly to avoid humans when hunted.
Note the Idaho wolf season. Hunters were disappointed in how
quickly the wolves learned to avoid being seen. A low number
of wolves were taken and most were in the opening part of the
season.

A good (and I believe balanced) book on this is "Beast in the
Garden". About cougars in the Colorado Front range.

Our ancestors wouldn't have gone to all the work of trying to
eliminate wolves if they hadn't been some sort of real threat.

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#198108 - 03/16/10 03:00 AM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: clearwater]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
"Our ancestors wouldn't have gone to all the work of trying to
eliminate wolves if they hadn't been some sort of real threat."

About 12,000 people die every year in auto wrecks caused by drunk drivers. I guess we can't recognize a real threat when we see it.

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#198111 - 03/16/10 03:39 AM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: Susan]
scafool Offline
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Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
A better metric for relative threat than drunk drivers might be fatal dog attacks.
Originally Posted By: http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
The most recent official survey, conducted more than a decade ago, determined there were 4.7 million dog bite victims annually in the USA. A more recent study showed that 1,000 Americans per day are treated in emergency rooms as a result of dog bites. In 2007 there were 33 fatal dog attacks in the USA. Most of the victims who receive medical attention are children, half of whom are bitten in the face. Dog bite losses exceed $1 billion per year, with over $300 million paid by homeowners insurance.

There is quite a bit more on that page.
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm#homicides
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#198127 - 03/16/10 03:29 PM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: raven397]
Compugeek Offline
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Registered: 08/09/09
Posts: 392
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: raven397
". . . the (woman) might have died of something else and wolves might have found the body."


And that's what I was trying to say, too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say wolves couldn't have done it. Just that people tend to jump to "them dangerous wild animals done it!" with very little supporting evidence.
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#198463 - 03/19/10 04:32 PM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: Compugeek]
RobertRogers Offline
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Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 198
There is always the chance she was killed or injured by a human - the wolves, being scavengers, may have come upon her in a less than healthy state.

Humans, by far, are the worlds most deadly predator.
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#198467 - 03/19/10 07:56 PM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: RobertRogers]
Madcat39 Offline
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Registered: 02/12/07
Posts: 7
Loc: So Cal
Don't be to hard on her. If a wolf pack of 3 or more animals comes for you, I doubt it matters if you are jogging along with your hand on your ipod or your .357, you are still dead meat.

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#198479 - 03/20/10 01:34 AM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: RobertRogers]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2432
Originally Posted By: RobertRogers
There is always the chance she was killed or injured by a human - the wolves, being scavengers, may have come upon her in a less than healthy state.

Humans, by far, are the worlds most deadly predator.


Possible. Humans have a far larger record of predatory behavior toward humans. Female and alone doesn't lower the odds either.

But there is also the chance she might have hurt herself. I don't know anything about the area or her familiarity with it but I have seen plenty of trails where you could carelessly run off an embankment, broken an ankle while running if you planted a foot in a hole, or stumble over debris and brained yourself.

I have read where a Florida man slipped crossing a stream, knocked his head on a rock, and would have drowned if his hiking partner hadn't pulled his face out of the water.

Lots of ways to get seriously hurt. Once hurt your an easy target for human and animal predators alike.

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#198537 - 03/20/10 09:36 PM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: clearwater]
Russ Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 4963
Loc: SOCAL
Originally Posted By: clearwater
They reported that the wolves tore out her throat while she was alive.. . .
Don't know who 'they" are other than articles, but if true that would pretty much make the case that the wolves killed her and didn't happen upon her corpse. Who could make the determination that she was alive when that happened? What are they saying?

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#199071 - 03/27/10 06:09 PM Re: Fatal wolf attack in Alaska [Re: hikermor]
texican Offline
Stranger

Registered: 02/21/10
Posts: 2
Loc: Texas
Joggers getting attacked by wild animals.... more gene pool cleansing. I feel sorry for the gal's parents. But, they should have raised their daughter better... running, for no good reason, is bad. I'd feel sorry for the woman, if she hadn't been running, got scared, and started running away.

Pretty much every wild animal that preys on other animals, will chase down and attack anything that's running from them... it's instinct.

I worked in Alaska for 12 years, and saw hundreds of bears and wolves... I was scared a few times when I was charged by sow with cubs, but stood my ground, and made it through without a scratch. Have had wolves walk right up to my camp, and try to carry off articles of clothing (they probably smelt to high heaven!), but never saw any agressive activity from wolves.

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