Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
#224149 - 05/23/11 04:47 PM Joplin Path of Destruction
Doug_Ritter Offline

Pooh-Bah

Registered: 01/28/01
Posts: 1961
Pilot friend flew over Joplin soon after it hit, video shot by passenger (unfortunately didn't know what he was doing w/ his iPhone, but still shocking).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv3COQ6gv-8&feature=youtu.be
_________________________
Doug Ritter
Editor
Equipped To SurviveŽ
Chairman & Executive Director
Equipped To Survive Foundation
www.KnifeRights.org
www.DougRitter.com

Top
#224159 - 05/23/11 09:00 PM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Doug_Ritter]
CANOEDOGS Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 1838
Loc: MINNESOTA
i saw this early today and found it more shocking than some of the shots from the ground.entire Cul-de-sac developments nothing but piles of lumber with a twisting road thru it.this go's beyond survival...

Top
#224167 - 05/23/11 10:05 PM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Doug_Ritter]
6pac Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 09/17/10
Posts: 80
Loc: N.E. Alabama
The deaths keep going up and probably will for the next few days. You can tell from the footage that if your best plan didn't call for you to take cover underground, then your odds of surviving are next to nil. This is why I have a hard time believing that above ground shelters will hold up in a tornado.
_________________________
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you do when nobody's watching."

Top
#224176 - 05/23/11 11:35 PM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Doug_Ritter]
Byrd_Huntr Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 01/28/10
Posts: 1170
Loc: MN, Land O' Lakes & Rivers ...
The damage to life and property is astounding.
_________________________
The man got the powr but the byrd got the wyng

Top
#224185 - 05/24/11 01:38 AM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: 6pac]
KG2V Offline

Veteran

Registered: 08/19/03
Posts: 1371
Loc: Queens, New York City
Originally Posted By: 6pac
...snip...This is why I have a hard time believing that above ground shelters will hold up in a tornado.


It's more than possible to build above ground that is tornado proof, but to do so would probably be more expensive than going underground in most locations. Think "pillbox" or ammo bunkers/blastproof rivetments/Blockhouses. In other words, things meant to take direct artillery fire - basically making an above ground underground if you know what I mean
_________________________
73 de KG2V
You are what you do when it counts - The Masso
Homepage: http://www.thegallos.com
Blog: http://kg2v.blogspot.com

Top
#224188 - 05/24/11 01:49 AM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: KG2V]
Desperado Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/01/08
Posts: 1530
Loc: DFW, Texas
On a new construction home, I can do one for ~$4,000.00 my cost.

Retrofit is ~$10K in the existing slab, or ~$6K looking like a shed.

Two of these survived the May 1999 EF5 (the tornado the caused the "F" to become the "EF" scale).

Any other questions?
_________________________
I do the things that I must, and really regret, are unfortunately necessary.

RIP OBG

Top
#224195 - 05/24/11 03:45 AM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Doug_Ritter]
CANOEDOGS Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 1838
Loc: MINNESOTA
when this is all sorted out i hope we see something about just how many people had a shelter of any kind and were able to use it in time.thinking about it for a second a search over the entire tornado belt for shelters that were used,with photos,would go a long way in encouraging people to have one.

Top
#224202 - 05/24/11 06:37 AM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Doug_Ritter]
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Do tornadoes lift a foot or more of soil off the ground?

I can't understand why a small, sturdy shelter can't be built either on top of the ground or half underground, and covered with 12-24" of soil, and planted with some kind of plant that has a dense root system.

If there is nothing for the wind to grab, what's going to happen? A tornado will slide right over it? Is this a bad thing?

I recently posted a description of the shelters designed by Cal-Earth founder Nader Khalili. They are cheap and can be built by a couple of guys in a few days. They can be built aboveground or partly below ground. They're extremely stable, even in earthquake country. But they're not expensive enough for many people, I guess. Not showy enough, like the new $40,000 red pickup, or the $150,000 new travel trailer or motorhome.

And I have the feeling that 'I won't happen to us' fits into the equation somewhere, too.

Sue

Top
#224210 - 05/24/11 09:32 AM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Susan]
Byrd_Huntr Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 01/28/10
Posts: 1170
Loc: MN, Land O' Lakes & Rivers ...
Originally Posted By: Susan
And I have the feeling that 'I won't happen to us' fits into the equation somewhere, too.

Sue


Agreed, and for the great majority of people, they're right
_________________________
The man got the powr but the byrd got the wyng

Top
#224212 - 05/24/11 09:50 AM Re: Joplin Path of Destruction [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
hikermor Offline
Geezer in Chief
Geezer

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 6710
Loc: southern Cal
What ever happened to the fallout shelters from the 60s? They were perfect, prefabbed, and fairly reasonable to install. A version designed only for tornadoes could be smaller, since occupancy times would be much shorter.
_________________________
Geezer in Chief

Top
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >



Moderator:  MartinFocazio, Tyber 
February
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28
Who's Online
1 registered (NAro), 262 Guests and 6 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
MountainDweller13, stevesmartlo, Kreese, Nova, jackmiller
5271 Registered Users
Newest Posts
The urban '10 essentials'
by chaosmagnet
12:59 AM
Long term light (>24 hours)
by hikermor
05:29 PM
Long Rain Coat
by Hanscom
05:22 PM
It's cold outside!
by hikermor
02/15/19 07:09 PM
Updated Every Day Carry (EDC)
by hikermor
02/10/19 11:02 PM
Survival then and now - Cutting Remarks
by hikermor
02/09/19 04:50 PM
The Very Useful car blanket
by TeacherRO
02/08/19 07:23 PM
Best use of time, money
by TeacherRO
02/08/19 07:22 PM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.