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#223663 - 05/15/11 10:13 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: Susan]
bacpacjac Offline
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Originally Posted By: Susan

Chretien and his GPS, working together, get themselves into a real mess. After thinking about it for three days, he decides to follow his ever-trusty GPS AGAIN. And his plan was to go cross-country, rather than just walking out the way they came

That's bugging me too, Sue. That and the fact that the rescuers are apparently using the exact same model of GPS to try to re-trace his steps.
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#223667 - 05/15/11 10:57 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: bacpacjac]
Aussie Offline

Registered: 11/12/10
Posts: 205
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: Susan
You know, this would be the perfect way to murder someone without fear of retribution. People would just think you're really stupid. Murder by GPS.

Originally Posted By: bacpacjac

That's bugging me too, Sue. That and the fact that the rescuers are apparently using the exact same model of GPS to try to re-trace his steps.

... so which one is the victim ?

#223686 - 05/16/11 03:05 AM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: dougwalkabout]
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Loc: Alberta, Canada
I'm not inclined to head in to conspiracy country yet. At least not until they finish the search. I suppose it could be viewed as a perfect storm that's a little too perfect. Time will tell.

- Doug, who foolishly assumes the best in people until they demonstrate otherwise

#223690 - 05/16/11 08:51 AM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: dougwalkabout]
hikermor Offline
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Loc: southern Cal
I think we can trust the law enforcement agencies to be appropriately suspicious. It is standard to make inquiries about family stability, etc, even when the focus is on the back country search.
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#223696 - 05/16/11 12:20 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: dougwalkabout]
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#223697 - 05/16/11 01:01 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: Susan]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Registered: 08/03/07
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She didn't sleep through a rough road and getting stuck multiple times, I'll bet money on that. Either this guy is unbelievably stupid and incredibly stubborn, or something else is going on here.

I would have to go with unbelievably stupid and incredibly stubborn. Many modern Homo Sapiens aren't the sharpest tools in the box when it comes to ignoring the voice giving the directions from the magical navigation box.

As more folks become compliant to systems of politically correct eduction, fashion, business, advertising, technology, communications, consumerism and systems of governance the duller the tools become.

Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (05/16/11 01:02 PM)

#223699 - 05/16/11 01:26 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: dougwalkabout]
quick_joey_small Offline

Registered: 01/13/09
Posts: 503
Loc: UK
Reminds me of a comment by an Arnhem survivor:
"In battle if you make 1 or 2 major mistakes; you win.
Make 3 or 4: you lose.
We made about 15".

>A string of five or six really bad decisions is quite typical of >many search and rescue scenarios. People who manage to get about a >third of their choices right usually avoid the clutches of SAR

#223701 - 05/16/11 02:01 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Registered: 06/02/06
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I travel with a couple different GPS units, a Garmin Nuvi sits on the dashboard and provides the highway routing, traffic avoidance/optimization and ETA info. I routinely ignore its advice in the local area because I have preferred routes and I like hearing it say "recalculating" smile

The other GPS is a Garmin GPSMAP 60 CSx. It has routing ability but I never use it. It is loaded with terrain maps of the western US in addition to standard highway. It also gives elevation info which for some reason is unavailable on the Nuvi (unlike the GPS V which I used before the Nuvi).

GPS receivers are great for navigation, but you need to know their limitations. I'd never follow the Nuvi offroad.

That said, shortest distance does not equal shortest time; my Nuvi's routing is set for shortest time so it almost always generates a route on highways. (Edit: a Nuvi can be set for shortest distance, but why take the shortest distance if it takes more time??) If it ever put me on a gravel/dirt road, I'd be pulling out the Rand McNally Road Atlas to see where on Earth I was.

I also travel with a PLB.

#223718 - 05/16/11 06:17 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: NightHiker]
Russ Online   content

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Disagree . . I'd put money that the GPS in question was dead accurate until its battery finally died . . the operator just didn't know how to use what it was telling him. He didn't know its limitations and he definitely didn't know his own.


#223724 - 05/16/11 09:13 PM Re: Stranded for 49 days [Re: NightHiker]
Eric Offline

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Posts: 323
Loc: Iowa

I'm not sure I understand. I suspect you are saying you often disagree with the suggested routing a Navigation system is providing.

If you are suggesting that a GPS has provided position data that was off by more than its reported accuracy limits (due to satellite geometry) I would be more concerned.

Hopefully you are saying the former and if so that is something that makes sense to me. Too many people don't use their own thoughts and judgement when following directions. A Navigation system, like most suggested or prepackaged routes, is not meant to be used without taking external information and conditions into account. Unfortunately too many people don't understand that so we get stories about cars turning off the highway and into peoples houses or driving down service road instead of continuing on to the highway just ahead.

You are never beaten until you admit it. - - General George S. Patton

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