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#219400 - 03/16/11 04:31 PM Surviving the New Aiport Scanner
ireckon Offline
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Because of the recent nuclear disaster in Japan, I noticed there are quite a few people here who know a lot about nuclear chemistry. So, I can hopefully get some responses from this crowd...

I keep hearing on the news that the new airport scanner presents no more radiation than 2 minutes in an airplane. I guess that's supposed to sound good. To me, that sounds really bad. We're talking the same amount of radiation within about one second. That seems to amount to a concentrated dose. Should I be worried or not?
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#219405 - 03/16/11 05:04 PM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: ireckon]
hikermor Offline
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The total dose you get from the scanner is infinitesimal. Of course, if you kept up that rate for a long period, yes, indeed, you would begin to acquire that soft glow in the dark.

I was just looking at the figures, and I can't relocate them for the life of me. Remember that if you live in a yellow brick house (uranium) in Denver (high altitude) you have a higher exposure. You might have a significant exposure to radon gas if you spend a lot of time caving. Smoking ups the ante. Lots of factors are involved.
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#219409 - 03/16/11 05:15 PM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: ireckon]
Pete Offline
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There are different kinds of scanners. Not all of them involve X-rays. I went through one of the "millimeter wave" scanners during a trip a while back. No problems. I don't think there are serious concerns with that technology - but someone correct me if i am wrong.

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#219410 - 03/16/11 05:23 PM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: ireckon]
Arney Offline
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If I were a TSA agent, I would be afraid of sitting next to the x-ray machine that we send our carry-on luggage through day after day. Who knows how poorly those things are maintained or calibrated.

But that said, you raise a good point. Here's MY big question--are we even using a valid standard when assessing dose?

If there are any medical physicists out there who can correct this, let me know if my thinking is way off base. The thing about high energy ionizing radiation, like x-rays, is that most of it actually passes through your body without interacting with it. However, in those cases where it does interact with your body, then it is energetic enough to do damage to the DNA and so forth.

However, with the "backscatter" and "millimeter wave" technology that the these "naked body scanners" employ, they often remark that they do no harm because it is all absorbed by your skin and can't penetrate deeper. Uh...well, if our skin is absorbing all of the dose, then we're concentrating that dose in a very small portion of our body. Do we know what the risk of that kind of exposure is? I really don't think so. We don't have any/much experimental or historical data on this type of exposure that I'm aware of to say that "below X dose per time Y" is "safe" for this kind of radiation.

There are some travellers who will be asked to go through the scanner pretty much every time they fly, and if they fly often, I think that's a really big question mark for them.

And do they really make us safer? Just the other day, that undercover TSA agent went through the scanner each time and got through with a gun, what--five times, something like that? If I were a well endowed lady or fat enough to have some substantial rolls, you could hide quite a bit from these scanners.

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#219430 - 03/16/11 06:52 PM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: Pete]
Russ Offline
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For a while I was invested in the company that developed the MMW tech (then sold it to someone who could make money with it). The only "serious concern" was one of privacy because the resolution was incredible. From the pictures I've seen, it would appear that they have defocused the resolution to make the pic's more fuzzy while still usable.
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#219583 - 03/17/11 10:40 PM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: Russ]
dkhoe Offline
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#219590 - 03/17/11 11:17 PM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: dkhoe]
Russ Offline
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Back-scatter X-ray is still an X-ray. MMW is a totally different tech.
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#219599 - 03/18/11 12:23 AM Re: Surviving the New Aiport Scanner [Re: dkhoe]
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Originally Posted By: dkhoe


You beat me to it. Oh, and welcome new guy!
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