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#214016 - 12/31/10 01:41 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: JohnN]
Eric Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
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Originally Posted By: JohnN
Originally Posted By: bws48

Please, treat all downed lines as live at all times just like you treat all guns as loaded.


I suppose that means we shouldn't learn anything about firearms, either.

-john



Nope, quite the opposite.

Treating all guns as loaded should be common sense since the gun in question (per the quote) is in your control and you are responsible for the potentially destructive results. This means you should be very familiar with this tool that you control.

The downed power line is every bit as potentially destructive but the power is not in your control and is probably under some automatic control that includes cycled resets. With downed power lines all you control is your actions.

Maybe it would help to think of the downed power line as an firearm that someone is pointing at you ? At that point I am going to assume it is loaded no matter what the ill considered person on the other end says.

- Eric
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#214036 - 12/31/10 05:51 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: JohnN]
JohnN Offline
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Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 966
Loc: Seattle, WA
Sorry, I figured the sarcasm would be self evident.

Despite considering all firearms loaded, we still can talk about how they work, and by understanding the danger and how they function allows us to deal with them if we come across them.

Despite having a firearm pointed at you there is plenty of reasonable discussion of doing something other than just complying (probably the closest analogy to waiting it out).

In any case, I regret starting this thread. Sesh.

-john (the obviously stupid and careless, walking casualty)


Edited by JohnN (12/31/10 06:23 PM)

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#214049 - 12/31/10 07:41 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: JohnN]
dweste Offline
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Registered: 02/16/08
Posts: 2463
Loc: Central California
Originally Posted By: JohnN
In any case, I regret starting this thread. Sesh.
-john (the obviously stupid and careless, walking casualty)


Don't be discouraged, your thread was useful and interesting. Riling some folks up should not stop creative thinking and questioning - indeed it just demonstrates the need for more intellectual tolerance and reasoned debate.

So, post on!

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#214052 - 12/31/10 10:13 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: JohnN]
Eric Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
Posts: 323
Loc: Iowa
Sorry about missing the sarcasm. Odd that, I tend toward excessive sarcasm most of the time. Similarly, I am sorry to add to your frustrations.

I have been trying to provide information for consideration and discussion, while also including what I thought were appropriate cautionary statements. Personally I find the need for the cautionary statements a royal pain since most of the people visiting this forum are what I would consider reasonable people. Unfortunately it only takes one "unreasonable" person to ruin a good thing so on this particular topic I have probably been erring on the side of paranoia and excessive CYA verbiage.

-Eric

PS - I never said I would comply if someone was waving around a gun, just that I would assume it was loaded. whistle But that is completely off this topic
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#215411 - 01/21/11 08:21 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: JohnN]
ki4buc Offline
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
After reading all this again, I had a scary thought:

If power lines fall on your car, catch the car on fire, and its icy out, you're pretty much screwed ( I think... ).

Not exactly sure how you will be able to jump away from the car and land safely and then hop.

Any ideas?

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#215415 - 01/21/11 09:58 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: JohnN]
hikermor Offline
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Registered: 08/26/06
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I was thinking of this thread when I read of a tragedy killing three people when a power line came down in their backyard. Victim #1 approached the line, tried to step over it - Zap. Victim #2 came to his aid - Zap. Victim #3 also came to render assistance - ZAP.

I cannot find the URL for the life of me or I would post it...

To get to your question, I might try to extinguish the fire first, although that could easily not work. Otherwise, choose a location where you can achieve maximum distance. I believe it is best if you can land on one foot. Wear rubber soled foot gear-it will help a little.
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#215418 - 01/21/11 11:53 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: hikermor]
PSM Offline
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Registered: 05/26/06
Posts: 77
Loc: Cochise Co., AZ
Originally Posted By: hikermor
I was thinking of this thread when I read of a tragedy killing three people when a power line came down in their backyard. Victim #1 approached the line, tried to step over it - Zap. Victim #2 came to his aid - Zap. Victim #3 also came to render assistance - ZAP.

I cannot find the URL for the life of me or I would post it...





http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/news/ci_17153942

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#215600 - 01/24/11 12:53 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: hikermor]
Byrd_Huntr Offline
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Registered: 01/28/10
Posts: 1174
Loc: MN, Land O' Lakes & Rivers ...
Originally Posted By: hikermor
I was thinking of this thread when I read of a tragedy killing three people when a power line came down in their backyard. Victim #1 approached the line, tried to step over it - Zap. Victim #2 came to his aid - Zap. Victim #3 also came to render assistance - ZAP.

I cannot find the URL for the life of me or I would post it...



Here's another link, along with a different incident where three people were electrocuted:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/3-electrocuted-in-backyard-of-san-bernardino-home.html

http://www.livevideo.com/video/093FDF0DDD964E229220F22930B4B10E/three-people-on-a-pole-get-ele.aspx

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#215604 - 01/24/11 02:44 PM Re: Determining if downed power lines are live? [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
hikermor Offline
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
That second link is really startling and very impressive ( I almost said electrifying, but I decided not to).
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