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#209760 - 10/17/10 05:28 AM Fire Making Tools
ChicagoCraig Offline
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It would be nice to see some of the fire making gear folks have. So here are some of the items in my fire making tool collection.


Match Cases - aluminum and plastic


Wooden Matches - regular, strike anywhere, and storm


Metal Match - There is a fibrous material inside the tube. The match stick removes some of the material which has some sort of accelerant on it. There is a ferro rod which the stick is struck against and the material ignites for about fifteen seconds. I picked this up on eBay for a about $1.50. It will light many many times.


Tinder - petroleum Jelly cotton balls, jute rope, dryer lint, and char cloth.


Tinder - magnesium rod, bar, chips, and bar with ferrocerium rod.


Plastic lens for solar fire starting


Glass lens for solar fire starting


Nylon fire piston


Nylon Fire piston disassembled


fire piston "pen"




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#209761 - 10/17/10 05:31 AM Re: fire making tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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fire piston "pen" disassembled


various mischmetal/ferrocerium rods with some having tubes.


Scrapper 5 LE for wood processing.


The five inch bunker tube.


This is the fire steel I normally carry.


Fire piston with plexiglass tube to hold additional contents


Fire piston with plexiglass tube to hold additional contents

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#209763 - 10/17/10 11:39 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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ChicagoCraig,

About the "metalmatch" in the third pic you posted...

Actually it was designed to be filled with lighter fluid (i.e. zippo fuel). The fibrous material inside serves the same fuel holding purpose as the cotton packing inside a zippo.
There is/ or should be some cotton wick-like material on the end of the "match" and this would be saturated with fuel everytime the unit is closed after use.
Actually there is an O-ring near the threading which prevents the fuel from evaporating from the closed unit very effectively.
While writing this I took out one of mine (I have several) that hadn't been used for over two years because I was curious to see if it would still light. Lit up on the second strike!! Now there is something we can work with cool
As for burn time: expect something like 30 to 40 seconds (way longer than a wooden match) before it goes out and the wick has to be replenished by returning the "match" back to its container where it can soak up some more fuel and be re-used immediately. However, you shouldn't let the match burn until the fuel in the wick is all gone because the flame will "eat" the wick for dessert. cry
All in all a good and reliable bit of kit.

Pharaoh.
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#209765 - 10/17/10 01:24 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: Pharaoh]
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Pharaoh,

I wasn't really sure if the way I was using was correct but it seemed to work. My metal match is exactly how you describe it and at one time did have a wick wink Looks like i'll have to pick up another one from eBay since I've improperly used the one I have. Thanks for information.

Craig

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#209770 - 10/17/10 03:22 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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I thank you for the pics! I will post some pics of my stuff after some gear I ordered arrives. I see you have some mischmetal ferro rods from Firesteel.com. Those are my favorite.

When I talk about fire starters on a survival forum, I like to talk about products that will be reliable in extreme conditions. Realistically, there is likely to be at least one person to read this thread and actually need a fire starter for a life or death situation.

The following is my unsolicited opinion to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't have confidence in matches of any kind. I don't want them as part of my three essential fire starters, but matches are so common because everybody knows how to use matches, right? The piston devices that you displayed seem a little gimmicky and overpriced to me, in comparison to ferro rods. The Metal Match that you displayed is cool and fun, but seems like the biggest toy of them all. The Survival Spark (not shown) was appealing to me for awhile, but now that also seems gimmicky. Lighters like Bics and Zippo (not shown) are OK to carry along for starting fires in nice conditions, but they don't inspire high confidence in the reliability department. Again, my mindset is extreme conditions.

Ferro rods, which I own and use, seem to be the best combination of ruggedness, reliability and versatility. Generally, for any situation, I have high confidence in carrying the following: 2 Peanut Lighters, 2 ferro rods, 2 scrapers and pre-made tinder (e.g., cotton balls and petroleum jelly). I also have confidence in flares, but I realistically don't imagine me carrying flares on my person.
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#209773 - 10/17/10 05:17 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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I carry Doug's kit with the included spark-lite and tinder and a few storm and strike anywhere matches. I find the fire steels a pia. My preferred method is to have a couple or more good old Bic lighters on me as well-they give me the flame as well as the spark!

For tinder I like Wetfire and a little mayo dust or small chunk of fat wood. If handy a little bark from a cedar tree added to the mix.

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#209775 - 10/17/10 06:35 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Originally Posted By: ireckon
The Metal Match that you displayed is cool and fun, but seems like the biggest toy of them all.


Metal Matches are actually, IMO, very good fire starters. If anything, I like it better than a zippo. This is because fuel doesn't evaporate nearly as quickly and, because you are striking the ferro-rod long ways (as opposed to just at the end) it's possible to get more sparks. Therefore, if the fuel does run out, it's a bit easier to get a fire going by spark.

The downside though, is that no one seems to make a real high quality version. Most of them are cheaply made mostly-plastic imports with small ferro-rods and difficult to hold-onto striker/match parts. If someone put some real thought into designing a well-made modern version, I would definitely buy a few.

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#209776 - 10/17/10 06:53 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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You could repack the wick in the striker of your "wet" match, you should find a metal tab that is removable to hold the new material. Twist up your own cotton yarn or try using cotton gauze or maybe even cotton butcher string.
Try a few different materials, it could be a survival need .

BTW
where did you get all the different fire pistons and how well do they actually work? I would not consider one as an actual survival
device but I'm still interested in the collector aspect.

Thanks

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#209777 - 10/17/10 07:02 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Originally Posted By: ireckon
I thank you for the pics! I will post some pics of my stuff after some gear I ordered arrives. I see you have some mischmetal ferro rods from Firesteel.com. Those are my favorite.

When I talk about fire starters on a survival forum, I like to talk about products that will be reliable in extreme conditions. Realistically, there is likely to be at least one person to read this thread and actually need a fire starter for a life or death situation.

The following is my unsolicited opinion to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't have confidence in matches of any kind. I don't want them as part of my three essential fire starters, but matches are so common because everybody knows how to use matches, right? The piston devices that you displayed seem a little gimmicky and overpriced to me, in comparison to ferro rods. The Metal Match that you displayed is cool and fun, but seems like the biggest toy of them all. The Survival Spark (not shown) was appealing to me for awhile, but now that also seems gimmicky. Lighters like Bics and Zippo (not shown) are OK to carry along for starting fires in nice conditions, but they don't inspiring high confidence in the reliability department. Again, my mindset is extreme conditions.

Ferro rods, which I own and use, seem to be the best combination of ruggedness, reliability and versatility. Generally, for any situation, I have high confidence in carrying the following: 2 Peanut Lighters, 2 ferro rods, 2 scrapers and some pre-made tinder (e.g., cotton balls and petroleum jelly). I also have confidence in flares, but I realistically don't imagine me carrying flares on my person.


I agree with almost everything you say here, with one exception; the lighters. I tested some lighters in the dead of winter by leaving them out in my unheated shed for weeks in very cold weather. As expected, they sparked but did not light at first. After about five minutes inside my glove, they worked just fine. Although I have never had a lighter fail due to cold, snow, or rain, I realize that it could happen. I also am unsure of the effects of altitude on them if any. I have no hard stats, but even if you figured a 5% failure rate for lighters, two of them would bring it to under 1%, and three of them would require some technical calculations above my pay level. Even a dead lighter still sparks. Total investment? $4.00 for 3 lighters and $3.00 for a military surplus ferro rod for that tiny chance.
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#209778 - 10/17/10 07:29 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
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One of the nice things about Bics is that they're cheap and easy to find, so it's not a big deal to have multiples of them. I have a bunch in my various kits and gear bags and then I put one in every jacket I own. I figure, if I'm going somewhere cold enough to require needing a jacket, then I should have some way to make fire with me as well, just in case. (I don't rely on it exclusively though, I also have a BSA hotspark on my keys and a magnifying glass in my wallet.)


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#209779 - 10/17/10 07:41 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Quote:
I don't have confidence in matches of any kind.


The matches in this video work OK. NSN - 9920 99 737 1041 (supplied in UK 24hr Ration Packs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PF8_U7FuVk

For wet conditions you can cut a 1 1/5 inch length of butyl inner tube and strike the match with the match inside the inner tube section to provide a wind and water proof cover. The butyl inner tube will soon catch fire and won't really be put out by the rain.
Use the flaming inner butyl inner tube to set alight the wood feather sticks under a prepared Tarp.

I've also had quite good success with a DX Oubo Dover windproof lighter (not waterproof though).



http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16699

And also with the Brunton Firestorm lighter.

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#209787 - 10/17/10 08:47 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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We all seem to agree on redundancy for fire starting. The question is which methods will most likely yield a going flame? My routine lighter is a butane, backed up with matches, and a ferro rod.

I have been in some situations where getting a fire lit was critical, a few of which might even have been life or death situations. Matches have always come through. Given that currently manufactured matches are of poorer quality than in the past, I stock up on REI Stormproofs. Matches carried in other than a waterproof container don't count.

The real change over the years is that I have carried some sort of liquid or gas stove, and have relied less and less on campfires. In lousy conditions, having really good, reliable tinder or fire starter (PJ cotton balls, Wetfire, or the aforementioned stove) really solves the problem. For stoves, I prefer isobutane canisters (Pocket Rocket) or a good old Trangia alcohol stove. The Trangia can carry its own fuel supply and will burn hand cleanser (Purell) or yellow Heet, among other fuels.
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#209790 - 10/17/10 09:33 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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I GUESS I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING.

I lean towards the most robust, reliable, redundant, expensive and brand name when I buy toys. If it ain't high tech and the best, I don't want it.

Relative to fire starters, they are part of my life. In my business I light, burn, melt and ignite all day long.

In the remote Idaho wilderness, I light, burn, melt and ignite to maintain and survive.

I.M.H.O - I have researched and chosen the absolute most robust, reliable, redundant and expensive FIRE STARTER mechanism that is available.

I bought a case of butain lighters for $.52 each. The active unit is in my right front pocket. Backup is in my left front pocket. About twice a year the active unit is empty. I throw it away and replace it with the other. The new one goes in my left pocket.

I GUESS I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING!


Edited by ponder (10/17/10 09:50 PM)
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#209795 - 10/18/10 12:41 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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An example of my regular extreme condition is snowboarding off piste near the top of Whistler during January. I've read that a butane lighter is bad at high altitudes. I'll get one just to test it out, but I won't make it part of my big three...yet.
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#209796 - 10/18/10 01:03 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Originally Posted By: ireckon
An example of my regular extreme condition is snowboarding off piste near the top of Whistler during January. I've read that a butane lighter is bad at high altitudes. I'll get one just to test it out, but I won't make it part of my big three...yet.


Whistler is 7100 feet in elevation. I know from personal experience that BIC type lighters work at that height. The highest elevation I ever used a BIC was at 7800 feet.

At that elevation, the BIC lighter and then my pocket rocket stove worked good enough to cook dinner for 4 people.

In winter, when the temperature drops below about -10C (14F) , any butane lighter or fuel cannister will work as long as it kept warm in in an inside coat pocket before using. The stove's fuel cannister benefits from a small fleece cover that keeps it somewhat resistant to the cold until the food is cooked.
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#209800 - 10/18/10 03:02 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: frediver]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Originally Posted By: frediver
You could repack the wick in the striker of your "wet" match, you should find a metal tab that is removable to hold the new material. Twist up your own cotton yarn or try using cotton gauze or maybe even cotton butcher string.
Try a few different materials, it could be a survival need .

BTW
where did you get all the different fire pistons and how well do they actually work? I would not consider one as an actual survival
device but I'm still interested in the collector aspect.

Thanks


I did not know the wick could be replaced. Thanks, I will look into that.

The nylon and plexiglass piston were found on eBay. The pen piston I purchased directly from the manufacture. I had the best results with the nylon one which was the cheapest.

I do not carry a piston on wilderness trips.

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#209803 - 10/18/10 03:45 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Chicago, please describe how you made the handle on that ferro rod you said you "normally carry". It looks simple, but I've never seen it before.
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#209831 - 10/18/10 12:04 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Craig, I was curious about your pen piston, I had read they were hard to get an ember and difficult to clean. I was wondering what your. opinion on the pen piston and the viability of it. Oh. And I like your selection of knives, yard knives are very good. Thanks.
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#209832 - 10/18/10 01:00 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Originally Posted By: ireckon
Chicago, please describe how you made the handle on that ferro rod you said you "normally carry". It looks simple, but I've never seen it before.


It looks like he stuck a wire terminal on the end.


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#209836 - 10/18/10 03:02 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: Paul810]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Originally Posted By: Paul810
Originally Posted By: ireckon
Chicago, please describe how you made the handle on that ferro rod you said you "normally carry". It looks simple, but I've never seen it before.

It looks like he stuck a wire terminal on the end.


Correct.

This is how the fire steel came from where I purchased it. The wire terminal is held in place with glue.

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#209837 - 10/18/10 03:43 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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My EDC bag has:

a Bic,
a Zippo that I refill once a week (mostly for nostalgia),
REI stormproof matches in a plastic tube,
Light My Fire Firesteel rod,
Ultimate Survival Technology's Sparkie Fire starter,
wet tinder fire starter x 3,
Coglins emergency tinder x3.
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#210086 - 10/21/10 11:18 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Here's my neck pouch for when I go snowboarding:

-Orange 550 paracord
-Black pouch
-Scraper
-Ferro rod
-Peanut lighter
-Waterproof tinder case
-Fox 40 Sharx whistle
-Fauxton





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#210384 - 10/27/10 01:20 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparkie - closed

Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparkie - opened


Wilderness Survival Fire Sparkle - cheap about $4.00 (USD) online.

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#210426 - 10/27/10 08:49 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: falcon5000]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Originally Posted By: falcon5000
Craig, I was curious about your pen piston, I had read they were hard to get an ember and difficult to clean. I was wondering what your. opinion on the pen piston and the viability of it. Oh. And I like your selection of knives, yard knives are very good. Thanks.


I've also found that the char cloth used in the pen piston has to be very well cooked when being charred. Over all would say for me it is not as forgiving as the other pistons so I would tend to agree with what you have read.

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#210437 - 10/27/10 10:53 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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I always carry a firesteel, strike anywhere matches, BIC lighter and a candle for my fire making kit. It is easy to find fire making materials in my AO, there is birch bark, pine pitch, old man's beard, moss, grasses etc.

90% of the time I use my firesteel to start a fire as it provides a good training opportunity to get a fire started. My firesteel pictured below has seen a lot use and there is still many years of use left on it. I also recently purchased 4 ferro rod blanks from goinggear.com and they should arrive in the mail any day.

Current firesteel:

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#210440 - 10/27/10 11:13 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Right now I carry bic lighters because they are cheap and reliable with a Light-My-Fire as backup. I used to carry a match case until a friend borrowed it. I then carried a peanut lighter for a while but having to fill it regularly was a pain so when I lost it at a reenactment I didn't bother replacing it. When I'm out hiking I also use a BlastMatch or Spark-Lite depending on which pack I take.

I will probably try a wet match at some point since it sounds like they can hold their fuel pretty good. I'm fascinated by fire pistons but haven't seen enough good reports of them to want to depend heavily on one.

BTW do the aluminum SparkLites take the same flint as a Zippo? If not what?
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#210451 - 10/28/10 01:22 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ZechariahStover]
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Yes! Zippo & Ronson flints work in those Aluminum Sparklites,Real well!Also,If the tube gets even Slightly wet on a Fire Piston,You won't obtain a coal! They are fun to play with but,IMO I wouldn't carry one,Short of car Camping!


Edited by Richlacal (10/28/10 01:28 AM)

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#210483 - 10/28/10 02:22 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: Richlacal]
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Thanks. I never had a Zippo so don't have anything to compare to.
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#210520 - 10/29/10 03:35 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ZechariahStover]
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some images are blurry - I'll fix these later...

Exotac MATCHCAP - definitely gear bling. Cute but not something I would take with me into the wilderness.

 











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#210521 - 10/29/10 03:37 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Exotac nanoSTRIKER - again, definitely gear bling. Also, cute but not something I would take with me into the wilderness.












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#210546 - 10/29/10 04:52 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ireckon Offline
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Originally Posted By: ChicagoCraig
Exotac nanoSTRIKER - again, definitely gear bling. Also, cute but not something I would take with me into the wilderness.


Really? Why not?

Exotac products seem like they're rugged, but just too overpriced for the way I do things.
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#210579 - 10/29/10 08:49 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Originally Posted By: ireckon
Originally Posted By: ChicagoCraig
Exotac nanoSTRIKER - again, definitely gear bling. Also, cute but not something I would take with me into the wilderness.


Really? Why not?

Exotac products seem like they're rugged, but just too overpriced for the way I do things.


The rod is tiny and the striker is very small - a bit of a challenge to use (for me anyways) with gloves on. A Ranger or Armageddon tube (firesteel.com) gives me a better warm and fuzzy feeling.

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#210582 - 10/29/10 09:16 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Originally Posted By: ChicagoCraig
Originally Posted By: ireckon
Originally Posted By: ChicagoCraig
Exotac nanoSTRIKER - again, definitely gear bling. Also, cute but not something I would take with me into the wilderness.


Really? Why not?

Exotac products seem like they're rugged, but just too overpriced for the way I do things.


The rod is tiny and the striker is very small - a bit of a challenge to use (for me anyways) with gloves on. A Ranger or Armageddon tube (firesteel.com) gives me a better warm and fuzzy feeling.


That's good info being that you have all those products.
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#210743 - 11/02/10 02:46 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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A few more pictures of the fire steel tubes. The most practical ones IMHO are the Armageddon and Ranger.


5" x1/2" Bunker


4" x 1/2" Bunker


3" x 3/8" Armageddon - this tube has an o-ring on the steel shaft knob.


3" x 1/4" Ranger


2.5" x 3/16" Pup


All tubes minus the pup have a built in compass.

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#210750 - 11/02/10 04:18 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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ChicagoCraig, how are the ferro rods secured in the tubes? With some kind of bolt?
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#210763 - 11/02/10 08:13 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Originally Posted By: ireckon
ChicagoCraig, how are the ferro rods secured in the tubes? With some kind of bolt?


I don't know for sure but when I asked if the steel were replaceable the reply was yes and they are glued into the cap. To replace heat the cap up and the glue loosens its grip from the fire steel. The glue recommended to me to use for securing a replacement steel was gorilla glue.

I like this design over the Exotac method of threading the steel. It is simple and doesn't force me to purchase a steel with threads or cut my own threads.

Hmm just re-reading this and may have I misunderstood your question. Above I describe how the steel is secured to the caps. The caps have threads on them and they screw into the tube. The caps can screw onto the tube with the steel inside the tube (when carrying/storing) or outside the tube (when striking/scraping).

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#210775 - 11/02/10 11:38 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Originally Posted By: ChicagoCraig
Originally Posted By: ireckon
ChicagoCraig, how are the ferro rods secured in the tubes? With some kind of bolt?


I don't know for sure but when I asked if the steel were replaceable the reply was yes and they are glued into the cap. To replace heat the cap up and the glue loosens its grip from the fire steel. The glue recommended to me to use for securing a replacement steel was gorilla glue.


That answers my question, thanks.
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#211062 - 11/09/10 03:34 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Just added a lighter to my tool collection. The manufacture claims a thirty minute continuos burn time from a full butane charge. I will most likely carry this with me.

A Primus Power Lighter


Package Contents

Front


Back


Flame Size (image brightness and contrast modified so ruler in background would show up)

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#211704 - 11/21/10 08:30 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Aurora Fire Starter by Solo Scientific (closed)


Aurora Fire Starter by Solo Scientific (opened)


Striker is built into the bottom of the tube.


top view of tube

Not a bad setup. The entire body and cap is knurled so it is easy to grip the tube to unscrew the cap. The built in striker is a nice feature although for me I find it somewhat cumbersome to generate a hefty spark.

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#211708 - 11/21/10 08:55 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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DX has one of these for just over $7



http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.48810

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#211712 - 11/21/10 09:46 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.48810

Darn it, DX does it again. Now, I have to buy another ferro rod or two. It looks like if you put an O-ring on it, you could waterproof it further to protect the rod from corrosion.
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#211762 - 11/22/10 04:19 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
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Not one I've tried or seen in person - just noticed this in the Duluth Trading Co. catalog.

http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/sear...ocessor=content

If I'm reading the description correctly, it's a lot like a Spark-Lite, but with the flint wheel attached to the case, and waxed cotton sticks that sound like they're similar to the Spark-Lite tinder, but different in size and perhaps with a heavy coating of wax? I'm thinking if your hands are cold, it might be easier to hang onto this with the striker attached to the case, and one less thing to drop/misplace...interesting, anyway.

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#211767 - 11/22/10 04:43 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: DaveT]
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That is a Cool Gadget,for Fire,However if you have to Worry about it Getting Wet,Wouldn't a BlastMatch,Serve the purpose a Bit Better?

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#211781 - 11/22/10 06:39 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ireckon Offline
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The system below will be going in my jacket pocket when I go playing in the snow. It may seem bulky at first, but it's relatively small given its advantages. I'll be downsizing my neck kit that I posted earlier.

http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=211780#Post211780
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#213380 - 12/21/10 06:22 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ireckon]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Picked up a peanut lighter and a delrin case from countycomm. The delrin case is very sturdy and makes a very nice match safe. The peanut lighter works nicely and lights on the first roll of the wheel every time. Peanut is my backup lighter.



 







Next to a match case from Coghlans for reference.

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#217175 - 02/16/11 02:34 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Ok, just added a Ultimate Survival Technologies Blast Match. Comments to follow the pictures.


Boxed


Contents


Closed position


Opened position


Striker's drag length across the steel


Close up of striker's drag length


About .25" of the steel appears to be not used.


On the inside - don't do this unless you are prepared to glue the housing pieces back together. smile Looks like the steel can be replaced if you're willing to tinker with it.


What I like.
The Blast Match Steel for me measures 7/16" in diameter which I think is a nice beefy steel and should last a very long time. It produces a good amount of sparks and can be operated with one hand. Does not feel very heavy. (sorry I don't have a scale) The steel can be rotated to distribute wear around the steel.

What I dislike.
I think opening it with one hand is a bit awkward as your fingers need to be a bit agile to fumble the cover around. The steel has a lot of play relative to the housing when it is extended. About .25" of the steel appears not to be used when striking.

Overall not too shabby but I prefer UST's Sparkie model if I had to choose.

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#217185 - 02/16/11 04:57 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Along with Many other options,I Like the BlastMatch.You can Alway's use your teeth to manipulate the cover,If they are Available in an Emergency!Thank You for a Thorough review of this Product,The Innards of this device,didn't really Surprise me as,I had thought it to be"Very minimal",Yet that spring inside looks to be Kinda' lacking for an Otherwise fairly Beefy chunk of Ferro-rod! Thanx Again for The Info!5-*****!

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#217189 - 02/16/11 12:39 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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I had a blastmatch, and if you use it enough, you will notice the striker tab gets pushed down more and more each time (after ALOT of use) and it becomes harder to close, and it eventually breaks off, which sucks!

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#217190 - 02/16/11 12:43 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: sybert777]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Originally Posted By: sybert777
I had a blastmatch, and if you use it enough, you will notice the striker tab gets pushed down more and more each time (after ALOT of use) and it becomes harder to close, and it eventually breaks off, which sucks!


Oh good catch...So much the "beefy" steel.

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#217201 - 02/16/11 04:51 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ireckon Offline
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I don't have a Blastmatch. I do notice that even if the mechanism fails, you still have a ferro rod! Also, I appreciate how the Blastmatch packaging is a simple paper box and NOT an elaborate waste of plastic and cardboard.
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#217260 - 02/16/11 08:40 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Some of you may have seen this, but there's an interesting discussion about rods vs. Lighters on bugoutbagquest.

The link to the post is here - the discussion is in the comments below the main post.

http://bugoutbagquest.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-to-use-to-start-fire.html

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#217281 - 02/16/11 10:29 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: Medicineball]
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Originally Posted By: Medicineball
Some of you may have seen this, but there's an interesting discussion about rods vs. Lighters on bugoutbagquest.

The link to the post is here - the discussion is in the comments below the main post.

http://bugoutbagquest.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-to-use-to-start-fire.html



Here's what I said over there:

Quote:
I tend to agree with much of what Firesteel.com has said. However, my three means for fire making are two ferro rods and one lighter. I don't trust matches, and I trust a Bic lighter a little bit more than I trust matches. Ferro rods are the most rugged, even if not the easiest to use. For folks concerned about the weight of a ferro rod, come one now. All ferro rods are not the same. There are small ferro rods that have negligible weight such that its value far outweighs the weight cost.

For tinder, the heavyweight champion is cotton balls infused with Vaseline (Burt's Beeswax lip balm if not Vaseline). I'm not 100% sold on magnesium, but that's probably more of a personal thing. I need to practice more with magnesium to gain more confidence.
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#250717 - 09/07/12 06:24 AM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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Originally Posted By: QuietStove
Just added a lighter to my tool collection. The manufacture claims a thirty minute continuos burn time from a full butane charge. I will most likely carry this with me.






After almost two years the piezoelectric ignitor broke. I ordered a similar model from deal extreme for a lot less money $29 + ship versus $4.90 delivered! Mechanically it looks to be the same lighter but this variant has two pencil flames.

The torch lighter also pictured rocks. Very large capacity fuel tank and easy to operate. I picked it up from DE as well for $2.90 delivered. It replaces my broken lighter.



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#250728 - 09/07/12 12:51 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
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Most of us seems to agree that redundancy in fire making tools is good. I usually use a mimi-Bic with matches as backup. In critical situations, matches have always worked well for me. One thing about matches - they encourage one to be more deliberate in preparing and arranging the materials - and that, after all, is more important thanthe flame source.
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#251365 - 10/02/12 03:52 PM Re: Fire Making Tools [Re: ChicagoCraig]
ChicagoCraig Offline
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I added a few more lighters I thought I would include here.

Wind resistant lighter. This one has a seal that keeps moisture and dirt out when the lid is closed.


Table top lighter. Big tank for fuel - not very practical for an edc kit but really nice for the home workshop.

Flame shot.


Another table top lighter. Really large fuel tank. Again, not practical for an edc kit. I use this one for a lot of odd ball tasks.


Flame shot


Flame shot - there is an adjustment on the top which can trim the flame. Perfect for lighting candles.


I replaced my metal match. This is has been sitting for about one year. It lit very easily on the first strike.


This adapter allows me to fill the lighter with isobutane/propane canister gas.


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