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#213340 - 12/20/10 01:17 AM Re: Fire Starters in FREEZING CONDITIONS [Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
aardwolfe Offline
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Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 924
Loc: St. John's, Newfoundland
Originally Posted By: Leigh_Ratcliffe
Ferro Rod, Bunsen Burner "windproof" type butane lighter,and a Zippo.

Pack the Zippo in a ziplock freezer baggie to waterproof it.

Reason you need a zippo is because it's great for putting under a pile of wet tinder.



Is there a way to prevent a Zippo from drying out, or do you just have to refill it before every outing?

I have my Dad's old Zippo lighter - I found it among his things after he died and asked Mum if I could keep it - but have never really used it for anything.

Would vacuum sealing it work, or would the fuel just evaporate anyway?
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#213346 - 12/20/10 06:23 AM Re: Fire Starters in FREEZING CONDITIONS [Re: aardwolfe]
Richlacal Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 778
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
I would try putting some Zippo lighter fluid,Very small amount in a Zip Lok bag,& Leave it for a Few days,constantly checking it,to see if it eats the bag or dissipates Rapidly! Probably Best to place it outside,in a Safe/Dry area.Zippo's leak,regardless of how/where they are carried,But they are Very Effective for their intended Purpose's! Good luck!

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#213351 - 12/20/10 01:19 PM Re: Fire Starters in FREEZING CONDITIONS [Re: ireckon]
TimDex Offline
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Registered: 06/13/10
Posts: 56
Loc: New York State
If I were absolutely determined to use a zippo lighter in a survival kit, I would probably keep it stored dry with a small can (I know 4 oz. cans are available) of zippo lighter fluid stored with it. Which would probably take up the space of three or four butane disposable lighters. Tim

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#213369 - 12/21/10 12:42 AM Re: Fire Starters in FREEZING CONDITIONS [Re: ireckon]
raptor Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 288
Loc: Europe
That's very nice kit, ireckon. I like how it's built around that big candle. It should definitely buy you some time.

It might be worth a try to stage a snowboarding mishap under safe controlled conditions and put it to test.

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#213423 - 12/21/10 09:59 PM Re: Fire Starters in FREEZING CONDITIONS [Re: raptor]
ireckon Offline
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Registered: 04/01/10
Posts: 1629
Loc: Northern California
Originally Posted By: raptor
That's very nice kit, ireckon. I like how it's built around that big candle. It should definitely buy you some time.

It might be worth a try to stage a snowboarding mishap under safe controlled conditions and put it to test.


I tested the kit in Tahoe at a ski resort two weeks ago when it was raining and somewhat windy, with snow on ground. Raining conditions is more of a challenge than snowing conditions in my experience. I was able to light the candle by using a Bic and a windshield made from my hands and jacket. I have heard that butane lighters (not Bics) have problems at high altitude. In contrast, I had no problem lighting a plain Bic at high altitude, but note that lighting a Bic in a wind is difficult.

I did not try to light the cotton balls, inner tube or trick candles. I figured those would be no more difficult than the candle. I also did not try to light a fire by using the ferro rod. Hey, I was mainly out there just to have some fun in the snow. I'll try the ferro rod next time. Maybe it will be easier than the Bic. Who knows?
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