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#204981 - 07/21/10 08:41 PM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: comms]
JBMat Offline
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Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 745
Loc: NC
There has to be a point where enough is enough.

I wouldn't want to see any of the SAR guys put into danger because these three yahoos decided they were going to find what is at best a "mythical" mine.

If this was three kids who had wandered off, sure. Or three elderly people lost while driving. But at some point you have to be held responsible for your own actions, as stupid as they may be. If that means you are allowed to die due to the actions you placed yourself in, so be it.

I applaud the efforts of the SAR people, but again, don't want to see them hurt because of the preventable actions of others.

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#204986 - 07/21/10 11:32 PM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: JBMat]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
The only way they might still be alive is if they stashed a supply of water on one of their previous trips. But how likely is that?

Goldhunter: 0
Superstitions: hundreds

But it won't stop.

Sue

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#204990 - 07/22/10 12:32 AM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: Susan]
widget Offline
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Registered: 07/06/03
Posts: 550
Well there are some springs in the Superstitions that usually run year 'round. A lost person would be lucky to stumble onto a spring and perhaps smart to sit at the water and stay in the shade awaiting rescue.

Reality is there is very little chance that they are alive after this long. It has been well over 100 everyday out there and will be for another 2 months. Not very hospitable to novices without essentials.
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#204991 - 07/22/10 01:37 AM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: widget]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2432
I still give fair odds that the guys caught a ride to a casino and have been dead drunk and knee deep in hookers spending their kids inheritance. That in a few days they will come stumbling out of the desert, suspiciously well fed and watered, and tell some miraculous tale of being led in a strange mist to a tiny hidden spring by the ghost of an indian, or an alien abduction.

That, or they realize that it has been too long and they quietly, grow beards and relocate under an assumed name into a quiet mountain town where people don't ask to many questions.

Or some hiker finds a set of bones in a year or two.

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#204995 - 07/22/10 04:07 AM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: Art_in_FL]
Russ Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 4914
Loc: SOCAL
One gets hurt, one stays with him while the third goes for help. Mr Help gets lost and the other two die waiting. They'll find them, but not together and one will have been injured. (Just another possible scenario.)

Off the top of my head, not even close to enough water for a day and no comms. A bad Plan A with no Plan B.

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#205001 - 07/22/10 02:07 PM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: Art_in_FL]
Compugeek Offline
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Registered: 08/09/09
Posts: 392
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: Art_in_FL
I still give fair odds that the guys caught a ride to a casino and have been dead drunk and knee deep in hookers spending their kids inheritance. That in a few days they will come stumbling out of the desert, suspiciously well fed and watered, and tell some miraculous tale of being led in a strange mist to a tiny hidden spring by the ghost of an indian, or an alien abduction.


I'll take some of that action. smile

If he (the "mastermind" in charge) won't even take water or a phone (regardless of whether it'll get a signal), how much do you think he really has set aside for the kids to inherit?
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#205011 - 07/22/10 05:45 PM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: Compugeek]
xbanker Offline
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Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 484
Loc: Anthem, AZ USA
For me, what really gives rise to incredulity ... fact that apparent 'leader' of the group had to be rescued last year while attempting much the same excursion.

In and of itself, not inexcusable. Stuff happens. But for most folks -- prep'ers or not -- that would constitute a lasting 'life lesson.' Sadly, not in this case.

But I'm not about to entirely dismiss Art-in-FL's casino-scenario. No less believable than venturing into AZ desert sans H2O.
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#205016 - 07/22/10 06:09 PM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: xbanker]
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Yes, the engineered disappearance occurred to me, too.

It almost sounded 'too stupid', even for the careless.

Meriwerth is 67, probably collecting SS. I wonder if the 'send to' address changes?

Sue

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#206317 - 08/17/10 11:55 AM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: Susan]
GoatRider Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 824
Loc: Maple Grove, MN
Dewpoint is "absolute" humidity, and it's expressed in degrees. I like it because it's much more closely related to comfort level than relative humidity. We've always heard about relative humidity because it's easier to measure.

If the dewpoint is below 50F, it's "dry" out and very comfortable.
Dewpoint from 50-60 is starting to get muggy, but not too bad.
60-70 is really muggy.
70 and above is what I think of as "Floridian".
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#206407 - 08/18/10 04:28 AM Re: This Isn't Going to End Well [Re: GoatRider]
Hikin_Jim Offline
Sheriff
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 10/12/07
Posts: 1804
Loc: Southern California
I've been following this a bit. Maricopa County SAR and Superstition SAR are still out there looking albeit in a somewhat scaled back mode. The Supers are people eaters. A lot of people have gone out there and were missing for years before any trace was found. I wish for the families resolution, one way or the other. The not knowing, speaking from personal experience, is he**ish.

HJ
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