I live single digit miles from the Superstitions. I can see them from my house. I train out there swimming in Canyon Lake, cycling out to the end of the pavement past Tortilla Flats, running throughout the park area and of course hiking many of the amazing trails.

They have not stated which trail head they found the car. Which is not usual, so its probably a small one. They have showed copter video of the SAR/ police HQ at the trail head but I don't recognize it.

There is zero cell phone coverage out there. zero. In fact there is not even payphones as far as I know. I have had to ask the marina to use their office phone when I needed it.

it is effing hot this week. +111 degrees all week and the dew point is over 55* which is a indicator of monsoon season. Don't ask me more on dew point, its not humidity, but its somehow relevant.

The SAR unit here is top notch. They have never NOT found their target, even after searching for many weeks.

Well, I hope those three guys are OK, but things sure don't sound good.

The really sucky thing is that the SAR guys have to go out after these numb skulls. I don't care how well conditioned or prepared you are, 110+ F weather (43+ C) is deadly. Honestly, it makes me angry. If these guys live, these are the type of guys that I think should be made to pay for their rescue.

HJ

Wanna hear a stupid joke?

So, a white guy, a black guy, and a Mexican go into the Superstition Mountains desert wilderness in summer, with no phone, food, or WATER; looking for the Lost Dutchman's gold...

STUPID JOKE!!!

MoBOB,

The Superstition Mountains are east of Phoenix. No where near Ft. Huachuca.

Dewpoint and Humidity is 100% related - the "dewpoint" is the point where if you lowered the temperature of the air, dew would form - aka 100% humidity

If you know the temperature and the dewpoint, and want to obtain relative humidity, the formulas are as follows:

Convert BOTH temps to degs C - inn your case

111F = 44C (Tc - air temp)
55F = 13C (Tdc - dewpoint temp in C)

The next set of formulas assumes a standard atmospheric pressure. These formulas will calculate saturation vapor pressure(Es) and actual vapor pressure(E) in millibars.

(5) Es=6.11*10.0**(7.5*Tc/(237.7+Tc))

(6) E=6.11*10.0**(7.5*Tdc/(237.7+Tdc))

Once you have the saturation vapor pressure and the actual vapor pressure, relative humidity can be computed by dividing the actual vapor pressure by the saturation vapor pressure and then multiplying by 100 to convert the quantity to a percent.

(7) Relative Humidity(RH) in percent =(E/Es)*100

I use my own method to calculate relative humidity.

1. Take one test vessel(frosty mug) from the freezer
2. pour in 12 oz of the chilled test fluid, preferably Leinenkugels Honey Weiss
3. observe the frosty coating on the test vessel while slowly extracting the test fluid orally

If it melts before the third sip, the humidity is 85%
If it melts before the second sip, the humidity is 95%

Warning: this calculation can be compromised by the 'thirstyness factor'

If the test fluid is gulped, the test results are invalid and steps 1 through 3 must be repeated.

We do it with a pint o'Guiness.If your frothy moustache is wet before your next Gulp,It is Humid!If your frothy moustache is dry,or you don't sport a frothy moustache,You are Definitely NOT Irish!lol!

My guess would be that they found the Lost Dutchman himself and there is no mine out there. In all the decades of poeple looking for the Lost Dutchman's Mine, no one has ever found a thing.

The expert opinion is the Old Jacob(the Dutchman)would sneak into the Vulture Mine, NW of Phoenix and steal gold then circle around and re-enter the Phoenix area from the east and tell tales of riches in the Superstitions.

It is easy for some to dream of riches. It would have been wiser to buy a few lottery tickets and sit around the pool waiting to win than to enter the Superstitions on foot this time of the year.

Looks like they've called off the search.

HJ

They pulled off all the true volunteers and police but the backbone of the Superstition SAR is a group of guys who really won't quit. They'll work in the mornings when its cooler and it will be only a few people instead of 100's but these guys are really serious about their commitment to safety out there.